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The Open Carry Argument
usacarry.com ^ | Mainsail

Posted on 06/23/2013 2:11:19 PM PDT by marktwain

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While this essay was written in 2009, I have not seen it on Freerepublic. I believe it deserves wider dissemination.
1 posted on 06/23/2013 2:11:19 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Open carry is educational.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 2:16:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

Good essay, thanks for posting.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 2:17:45 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: marktwain

Good essay. The author does leave out a factor favoring concealed carry: the risk an open carrier faces from the police.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 2:46:19 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: marktwain
Definitely a worthy read.

I carry concealed about a third of the time, indifferently concealed another third, and openly the rest. To my considerable surprise, someone notices my openly carried gun about once a year. No one's ever expressed a single word of hostility, and I've used the few questions I've encountered as educational opportunities, all of which have been well received.

I believe America would be a safer, saner, happier place if everyone saw ordinary law-abiding citizens openly and safely keeping and bearing arms on a daily basis.

5 posted on 06/23/2013 2:48:52 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: mylife; Clint N. Suhks; smokingfrog

Open v Concelated Carry article Ping.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 3:02:29 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: cripplecreek

Ayoob carries concealed.


7 posted on 06/23/2013 3:22:41 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: marktwain
The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.


Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
8 posted on 06/23/2013 3:26:09 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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The risk isn’t all that great and becomes even less as police become educated.

Here in Michigan we can open carry right in the state capitol with no problem.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 3:38:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Yosemitest

Indications are that zimmerman was attacked to get his gun from him.


10 posted on 06/23/2013 4:15:26 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

I believe it was more a case of Trayvon giving George a beatdown and once he became aware of his firearm shifting his attention to it, forcing George to use it to heep it from being taken from him and used against him.


11 posted on 06/23/2013 4:19:56 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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I do not know how the risk of being attacked by police for legally carrying a firearm compares to that of being attacked by unauthorized criminals. I do know that it has happened many times.

A lot of risks aren’t “all that great”, but are easy to avoid. I do not care to place my trust in the education of any policeman whom I do not know, nor do I consider it my business to educate police or the general public.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 4:36:44 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: carriage_hill

Open has its place but concealed is the best solution.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 4:37:43 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

IMO the police question depends greatly on your location. The response in Chicago compared to Tuscon should be much different.


14 posted on 06/23/2013 4:42:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Perhaps, but his twitter posts of his fascination with guns, and the thought that he most likely knew that he was carrying make me think otherwise.

One "No limit N****" found the limit, the hard way.

15 posted on 06/23/2013 4:42:54 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

So conceal your weapon. Makes no difference to the thousands who openly carry across my state every day.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 4:46:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: carriage_hill

It would be nice to have options.

FR seems to be acting up. You having any problems?


17 posted on 06/23/2013 4:48:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: driftdiver

At The last tea party rally I attended here in Michigan lots of people were openly carrying and the handful of police around were unconcerned about it.


18 posted on 06/23/2013 4:51:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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I would rather carry openly, if it were legal here in Florida. Then I wouldn’t have to worry about keeping it concealed as I wandered through Costco.


19 posted on 06/23/2013 4:55:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

I could argue tactics, but learned long ago that arguments over tactics never end. However, I would disagree with some of his points.

1) I am indifferent to deterrence. Deterrence only works with individuals who are mentally sound, not under the influence of alcohol or drugs, and whose aggression is based on an unemotional motive. I would never assume such professionalism among armed robbers or other violent criminals.

2) I accept that it is not my choice whether to kill or not. It is based in need, not choice. If you don’t have to kill, and don’t want to kill, don’t kill. But you always must take responsibility for whatever decision you take. Not killing a violent criminal may very well mean that you are responsible for the next person *they* brutalize or kill.

3) He infers too much about criminal motives and means. Often their choice to attack is just impulse based. You were there then, so they attack you. No consideration at all to consequences. These are people who when they are caught *in the act* of committing a crime, by the police, they insist, “It wasn’t me!” This is just plain stupidity, that rates right up there with insanity, drugs and alcohol.

4) Finally, CC gives enormous tactical advantages, even if the aggressor’s gun is brandished and cocked. All told, several seconds, divided into fractions of a second. With that much adrenaline, you feel huge gaps of time in which you can act.

This is my greatest criticism of open carry. To a great extent, it seems to be based on the idea of “fairness”, such as having “a fair fight”. The heck with that.


20 posted on 06/23/2013 4:56:07 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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