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We’re all under surveillance. So what?
Maclean's ^ | JUNE 21, 2013 | Jesse Brown

Posted on 06/22/2013 5:11:34 PM PDT by rickmichaels

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To: Flag_This

“Everybody knew everybody else’s business.”
Nothing beats village gossip for truth and accuracy.

so THAT is the meaning of It Takes a Village”


21 posted on 06/22/2013 5:55:42 PM PDT by Optimist
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To: rickmichaels
some commenter explained it really well on some webpage, responding to this line: "you got nothing fear if you got nothing to hide" -- to which the apt response was, "Just like a lady in the shower has nothing to fear, eh?"

It's that simple. Privacy is demanded by human dignity.

22 posted on 06/22/2013 5:55:43 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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23 posted on 06/22/2013 5:59:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: rickmichaels
A program like PRISM requires dozens, if not hundreds, of complicit agents. Among this crowd, there will, we hope, always be an Edward Snowden or a Bradley Manning, a free-thinking individual whose ethics simply do not allow them to stay silent and complicit, no matter the personal cost.

Sadly, people of that caliper are few and far between. The vast majority have decided it's better to accept the blackmail or the bribe and go along with The Chicago Way...

...still others just enjoy the gravy train...


24 posted on 06/22/2013 6:01:14 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: proxy_user
“Privacy” is a strange concept. Up until a couple of hundred years ago, everyone lived in small villages where nothing was really secret. If you wanted to know what somebody was up to, you just asked around. Everybody knew everybody else’s business.

Except back then you knew who knew you. Now that link's severed. The contractor reviewing your data has never met you. Like the relationship between the concentration camp guards and the Jews, you've been de-humanized, and have become a thing to be controlled.

25 posted on 06/22/2013 6:06:42 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

NOW there’s a gallery of loosers...


26 posted on 06/22/2013 6:11:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: muir_redwoods

Any geeks out there know how much input it would take to crash the super-mega-gagillionquadrillion computers? Maybe the chinese will join in?

Just a question, I have more important things to do, like work on overturning Roe V Wade.


27 posted on 06/22/2013 6:25:26 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Pollster1
I would love to see “Anonymous” or some similarly talented group pull

Anonymous is a bunch of losers. Their skills over way over rated.

Remember when they were going to release all those encrypted files on the SC Justices?? It was all B.S. They had nothing.

Their politics are far, far, far left.

The only people Anonymous hates are Conservatives and others who believe in limited government.

28 posted on 06/22/2013 6:27:02 PM PDT by sand88
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To: muir_redwoods
I like it. The “I'm Spartacus” approach.
29 posted on 06/22/2013 6:31:38 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receilpt.)
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To: rickmichaels

A clear violation of our rights under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.


30 posted on 06/22/2013 7:40:12 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: rickmichaels

If this nimrod likes surveillance so much why doesn’t he move to England where they have so many cameras he could save a trip to the Proctologist.


31 posted on 06/22/2013 7:42:35 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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"ERRORS CEASING TO BE DANGEROUS BE DANGEROUS WHEN IT IS PERMITTED FREELY TO CONTRAD..." click click {static}

 

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

32 posted on 06/22/2013 7:59:21 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: rickmichaels

If I kept the author under surveillance, it would be called “stalking” and she would probably call the police to protect her. But when government does it, somehow it is just fine? Maybe for the author, but not for me.


33 posted on 06/22/2013 9:34:11 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You can bet some enterprising anti establishment types with the right skills are planning just that. Actually, I guess you could say they already are when they break into government computers.

Question for everyone, how much has the government been monitoring what we all post here?


34 posted on 06/22/2013 10:21:12 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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"Here is how Foucault described the Panopticon: "

“Hence the major effect of the Panopticon: to induce in the inmate a state of conscious and permanent visibility that assures the automatic functioning of power. So to arrange things that the surveillance is permanent in its effects, even if it is discontinuous in its action; that the perfection of power should tend to render its actual exercise unnecessary; that this architectural apparatus should be a machine for creating and sustaining a power relation independent of the person who exercises it; in short, that the inmates should be caught up in a power situation of which they are themselves the bearers.

To achieve this, it is at once too much and too little that the prisoner should be constantly observed by an inspector: too little, for what matters is that he knows himself to be observed; too much, because he has no need in fact of being so.

In view of this, Bentham laid down the principle that power should be visible and unverifiable. Visible: the inmate will constantly have before his eyes the tall outline of the central tower from which he is spied upon. Unverifiable: the inmate must never know whether he is being looked at at any one moment; but he must be sure that he may always be so. In order to make the presence or absence of the inspector unverifiable, so that the prisoners, in their cells, cannot even see a shadow, Bentham envisaged not only venetian blinds on the windows of the central observation hall, but, on the inside, partitions that intersected the hall at right angles and, in order to pass from one quarter to the other, not doors but zig-zag openings; for the slightest noise, a gleam of light, a brightness in a half-opened door would betray the presence of the guardian.

The Panopticon is a machine for dissociating the see/being seen dyad: in the peripheric ring, one is totally seen, without ever seeing; in the central tower, one sees everything without ever being seen.”

Michel Foucault, Discipline & Punish: The Birth of the Prison, New York: Vintage Books, 1995, pp. 195-228, translated from the French by Alan Sheridan (translation 1977)

Source: here.

35 posted on 06/22/2013 10:40:34 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
One thing never changes, government is incompetent. Sometimes that's a good thing.

The biggest problem is that, when it finally gets so big as to be totally irrelevant, the People will have been irrelevant for some time prior...

36 posted on 06/23/2013 4:01:01 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: P.O.E.

Cameras,cameras everywhere, supplemented with gov’t rats and mountains of “metadata.” A prison without walls.


37 posted on 06/23/2013 6:13:20 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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If I recall my Orwell properly, they don’t care about the “proles”. In fact, the more they were mired in their self-destructive pursuits the easier they were to keep penned in.

It was the intellectuals, etc. Big Brother was after.

Not just Orwell, but Hitler (with his decimation of the Polish intelligentsia) and Stalin (with his show trials).

It’s really not hard for anyone to see, even though they try to infect us with the cataracts of false accusations (racist, etc.)


38 posted on 06/23/2013 7:11:02 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Your last post was NSA Ref. No. 734282139872390423329, just so you know.


39 posted on 06/23/2013 8:53:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: rickmichaels

Just watch how magically it will matter if a Republican administration ever gets back into office.

There will soon after be screaming, howling and gnashing of teeth.

Along with “George Bush’s fault”


40 posted on 06/23/2013 10:01:29 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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