Posted on 06/15/2013 6:06:35 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
Thank you for all your trouble of setting this straight. Aloha
You have your eyes and ears cemented shut.
Netanyahu spoke the truth to people who are accustomed to hearing sugar coated euphemisms.
I disagree. Netanyahu did not speak truth, he spoke fear and used it as a tactic. The end goal was justified but the means was not.
Netanyahu also revised history to a hysterical inference. FDR and Churchill did not ‘know’ for certain of the death camps. They merely heard reports but could not confirm them. That is the truth.
As I said previously Netanyahu should revise his remarks to say the Nazi death camps were reported to the Allied leaders who were not able to confirm them and hence could not do much except to concentrate on stopping the Nazi war machine. That would have been a respectful statement. Instead Netanyahu showed disrespect to leaders and heroes of history. That is very stupid.
>> “ FDR and Churchill did not ‘know’ for certain of the death camps. They merely heard reports but could not confirm them.” <<
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Pure bullshit! - They knew for certain, and in great detail.
Prove it beyond any shadow of doubt while controlling both your emotions and your foul mouth.
Get over yourself little child.
The real world has thorns.
On December 17, 1942, the United States joined ten other Allied governments in issuing a solemn public declaration condemning Nazi Germany’s “bestial policy of cold-blooded extermination” of the Jews. The American Congress and the British Parliament stood in silence on that date to mourn what was happening to the Jews and pray for the strength needed to defeat the Nazis.In 1942, as details of Hitler’s Final Solution reached the Allies, it was difficult for the public and many government officials to grasp the extent and significance of the Nazis’ systematic, mechanized killing. In a December 13, 1942 radio broadcast listened to by millions, popular newsman Edward R. Murrow described “a horror beyond what imagination can grasp . . . there are no longer ‘concentration camps’—we must speak now only of ‘extermination camps.’”
Just as I thought you would offer no proof, nothing, just a smirky attitude and a dodgy reply.
“Get over yourself little child. The real world has thorns.”
Look in the mirror and repeat the above to yourself but more importantly take some wise advice:
Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanac 1750 on observing the great difficulty of knowing one’s self:
“There are three Things extremely hard; Steel, a Diamond, and to know one’s self.”
in which you would be wise to take up a serious study of the latter.
“Show” camps were set up for the Red Cross and other Humanitarian organizations during WWII. This reminds me of the current Iranian BS cover ups leading the IAEA around various facilities to show the world that they are not building a bomb. An indifferent world is the same as it was in the 1930’s - they know what is going on but it is too inconvenient to face the reality, so they live in denial saying, it's not MY problem, it's the Israelis’ problem for now. This was the wrong approach in 1939 and it is wrong today. Iran's bomb is a world problem, not just BB Netanyahu's. Using a baseball analogy, will Obama step up to the plate? Is he even in the On-deck circle? Is he in the dugout? Dos he have bat or is he fondling the doughnut?
Housekeeping on post 89...
> “This was a lecture at Auschwitz designed to basically get the world to wake up to the next Nazi War machine about to go nuclear, that is why he pushed this issue.”
Fine, he pushed the issue and made a valid point that Israelis should not rely on others to come to their rescue. I already posted that this point was indeed valid but it seems to have been lost on those that want to call FDR a holocaust denier such as the poster just a few posts above.
And that latter expression is the point I am making. Netanyahu is fomenting a proliferation of hate against American historical figures like Roosevelt.
FDR’s cabinet appointments were 15% Jewish at a time when only 3% of the population was Jewish. His closest advisers were Jewish. His New Deal was disparagingly called the Jew Deal.
FDR was not anti-Semitic, he was constrained by huge unemployment, politics and strict immigration law that barred immigration policy based on nationality. When he received reports of Nazi atrocities from Rabbi Wise, it was not taken as confirmation but it was sympathized with. FDR’s response was it was best to defeat Nazi Germany than to take action behind enemy lines in which it was politically risky to justify based on second hand reports and especially when other atrocities were taking place and confirmed against Christian Serbs in the Balkans.
FDR did not have confirmation of Nazi death camps, he had a ‘report’ by a Jewish Rabbi. You can’t steer a war effort based on second or third hand reports. You can make political statements which FDR did against Hitler’s persecution of Jews. But to divert precious resources and commit Americans to their death based on second or third hand reports is risking too much. What if it went wrong? What if the characterization of detention camps as extermination camps was an exaggeration?
The point is that Benjamin Netanyahu is not wise with words and statements. His speech leads fanatics to call FDR a Holocaust Denier which is rubbish.
Let’s put it this way, there are large scale murders and persecution of Christians by Muslims in Syria and other parts of the Middle East as well as Africa. These atrocities are confirmed. Why does Netanyahu not help rescue these Christians and take action to stop these atrocious murders? Is Benjamin Netanyahu anti-Christian? Is he a denier of these atrocities?
You see how ridiculous it can get when speeches are made that support historical revisionism based on emotion and not on facts and context?
Netanyahu needs to work on his choice of words and statements. He would have done better to state that the WWII Allies made the supreme sacrifice where millions gave their lives to defeat the diabolical Nazi war machine but it wasn’t enough to rescue millions of Jews who were killed in the Nazi extermination camps. And this is why present day Israelis cannot and should not rely on any other nation to save them from a nuclear attack launched by Iran.
By this statement above he would have honored the American war effort and sacrifice and at the same time warned his fellow citizens of the danger that it could happen again.
Instead he has people calling FDR a Holocaust denier. Imbecile.
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