Posted on 05/14/2013 11:41:05 AM PDT by marktwain
These ladies agreed to have their picture taken with some of their purchases, but only after I told them I was new media.
They insisted that they did not want their pictures used for anti-freedom propaganda. They said that they would be checking up on me.
Ladies, this story is for you.
The gift cards could not always compete with cash. About 60-70 percent of the people bringing guns to the turn in wanted to get rid of the guns because they considered them worth less than the value of the cards, or because they thought the firearms were inoperable, missing parts, obsolete, not worth fixing, or sometimes, especially with old revolvers, dangerous to use.
About 20-30 percent were turning in guns for ideological reasons, and wanted to make sure they were going to police. Most did not care what happened to them after that, but they did not want to sell them.
Maybe 10 percent just had a firearm they had inherited, knew nothing about, and simply wanted to dispose of conveniently. Some of these brought some of the most valuable items to be turned in.
Private buyers worked the line of cars.
At the first turn in event, I estimated that there were about 100. On the second event, hours after the start, I counted a minimum of 83. The atmosphere was festive, jovial, a combination of street fair and gun show. It was a rolling gun show.
Civility, polite discourse, and camaraderie were the rule of the day. There were no angry faces, no harsh words, no raised voices.
It is what one expects of the gun culture.
Private buyers were happy for others good fortune, with news of the best purchases spreading through the crowd in an excited buzz.
An impromptu auction happened for the purchase of this World War II war trophy P38.
The original holster flap was cut off to make it a quick draw rig, a common field modification of American soldiers during the war. The magazines also have correct war period markings. The lucky winner of the bidding paid $350.
This enterprising young man just purchased an original military Mauser and a couple of non-functioning reproductions
This Hungarian .45 appears to be in nice shape. $150
Most of the private purchasers seemed to be Second Amendment Constitutional activists. One source told me that he estimated that 75% of the buyers had concealed carry permits.
Many buyers purchased multiple items.
These two young activists had already purchased a dozen early in the event.
A retired engineer purchased these for $365 in total
The puchases are a period Montgomery Wards .22 (made by Mossberg) known as a good utility .22 rifle; a Phoenix HP .22 in mint condition; a Raven .25, like new, with holster; a good condition Iver Johnson Sealed 8 .22 revolver, known for accuracy, durability, and affordability, with holster; and a scoped Remington model 700 30-06 with sling and case, almost new. The Raven was offered for free, but he felt compelled to give $20. Ravens are inexpensive, but they have a reputation for reliability.
This fellow purchased an older Ithaca model 37.
Notice the leather butt extender. They were common in the 1950's. He paid $100.
Decent pump shotgun (Savage?), Raven?, and like new Ruger stainless bull barrel target .22 pistol
The happy buyer of these items paid less than $300 total, as I recall.
The revolver is a Navy marked S&W from WWII
There was another impromptu auction for the Smith and Wesson revolver. It went for $150, and it was not until after the purchase that the new owner discovered that it was a WWII Navy bring back. I saw several S&W revolvers purchased, so I may have the picture of the Navy gun confused with another. It was clearly a K frame S&W. I saw the Navy markings.
Deal of the day
The purchaser told me that he gave all his remaining cash for this stainless Colt Delta elite 10mm with holster and extra magazine. All the cash he had was $112.
More than one of these like new Marlin bolt action .22 rifles were purchased
These are nice hunting and utility rifles.
This North American Arms .22 mini revolver and holster was purchased for $100.
This Ishapore 2A or 2A1 is in .308 caliber
The private buyer purchased this rifle at the tail end of the first turn in. He paid $225 for the rifle with after market scope mount and sling.
Eclectic mix: Savage "gill" rifle, Mossberg bolt shotgun, Ranger single shot with adjustable peep sight, inexpensive .25 semi-auto, RG-14 .22, Bryco .380, Smith & Wesson Frontier model in .44 Russian
The buyer paid $380 total for these seven firearms. The .44 Russian has significant collector value. The buyer paid $20 for it and the pistol rug. The peep sight on the Ranger .22 is worth as much as the rifle.
Most buyers made multiple purchases, but a few came up dry. The average was somewhere between two and five guns per buyer. If we take a conservative estimate of 3 items per buyer per day, at 100 buyers per day, that would be about 500 to 600 private purchases during the two turn in events. The private buyers took about half as many firearms off the street and into responsible hands as were collected in the two turn in events.
This model 97 Winchester is highly sought after by Cowboy Action Shooters
I was told that the proud new owner paid $20 for it. Later, he wasn't sure that it had not been given to him. It will not be cut up for scrap. He intended to give it to his wife for home defense.
There were about a dozen police officers at each event site. They directed traffic; one lady officer said that their purpose was to insure that everyone's rights were protected.
It is unlikely that street criminals attended the event with such a significant police presence.
This Marlin model 990 was unfired in the box.
It was lovely, has a good reputation, and is defined as an assault rifle in New Jersey. This model was discontinued because of the New Jersey law. When offered it in a parking lot, by someone who had brought it to be turned in, I considered my needs for Christmas presents. I could not resist for $100.
I found this $50 bill in the street
I asked the car it was next to if they had just done a transaction, and what bills had been exchanged. They said $5, so I pocketed the $50 and dropped it in the collection plate at church the next day.
It is unlikely that such an event will occur in Phoenix in the near future. The legislature has passed a law requiring any firearms turned in to local governments be sold to dealers and the proceeds added to the public treasury.
Mayor Greg Stanton has said that the turn in events have no purpose if they are not allowed to destroy the guns that are turned in.
Link to Phoenix Turn In Part 1
Link to Phoenix Turn In Part 2
Link to Phoenix Turn In Part 3
Link: What my Waitress Thought of the coming Gun Turn In (Phoenix 11 May 2013)
AZ:Phoenix Early Gun Turn in (buyback) Luger and Holster, 11 May, 2013
AZ:Phoenix Gun Turn in .22 "assault rifle" Home Modification
©2013 by Dean Weingarten Permission to share granted as long as this notice is included.
Perhaps a private version of such an event could be organized, if a donor could be found to offer a minimum reward for the donation of a working firearm.
Looks like the Mayor got outvoted by the marketplace. What a nimrod!
Nice pics.
Nah he just couldn't get his lips out of Bloomturd's/0bama's backside in time, so what came out was what he'd been sucking in. Anti-gun sh!t.
Nice pics.
Thanks.
I have many more, but you have to pick and choose.
I wanted people to see what the private buyers were purchasing. It seems that you can never take enough pictures.
Ohhh... I’m drooling over the .44 Russian. Sweeet.
Nice pics. Thanks for the updates on the gun “buy-back” thingy.
Some of the folks who got scopes on their rifles got some extra special deals, no?
The Colt pistol in 10 mm is a beauty!
“Nice pics. Thanks for the updates on the gun “buy-back” thingy.”
Thanks for the interest. I call them “turn in events” because the people buying the guns clearly never owned them before, so “buy back” is inappropriate.
I thought I could come at them from a different angle than the usual MSM type, who tends to be ignorant of firearm technology.
“One source told me that he estimated that 75% of the buyers had concealed carry permits.” In Arizona?
The thought crossed my mind that if a private gun show did happen, if it could be doubled up with a “swimsuit fashion show”, the models also posing with guns.
The only potential problem would be models wearing swimsuits that were not demure enough. But that is a risk worth taking.
Most scopes do not add much value to a deal, but some can. If it is a good quality scope, the value should be considered.
My policy is that the a scope should be of approximate equal value to the rifle it is on. I have had too many problems with inexpensive scopes. Mounting systems also create unneeded difficulties. A few rifles, such as the Ruger 77, have integral scope mounts that reduce the possiblity of error.
An exception is for .22 rifles. Just about any high power rifle scope, even if inexpensive, does very well on a .22.
The CCW permit is still popular in Arizona for reasons of reciprocity. I do not find the estimate unreasonable, given the preponderance of Constitutional rights activists present.
I did not do a count, but overheard one seller say "I see that you have a CCW permit just like that other guy I sold to."
The Navy marked S&W is curious, it isn’t a Victory model as the grips and hammer are wrong (Victory’s had smooth grips, and the hammer is “transitional” in the late 40’s style).
The buyer got a good deal on it though.
I’d have to include myself in the ignorant catagory. Not by desire. I used to go target shooting as a kid.
“The Navy marked S&W is curious, it isn’t a Victory model as the grips and hammer are wrong (Victory’s had smooth grips, and the hammer is “transitional” in the late 40’s style).”
As mentioned, I may have mis-remembered the pic for the Navy marked Smith. I clearly remember the pistol. I handled it and examined the Navy marking. I hate to say that I am not sure this is the right picture.
I felt it was worth mentioning the revolver, though, to give people a better understanding of what is brought in to these events.
I caught that on re-reading. A Navy marked Victory will fetch up to $1200 depending on condition, it is a highly desirable gun. Even if it is just a 5-screw M&P, he got a great deal, especially since it still has the original diamond magna stocks (probably numbered to the gun).
I cannot find another photo. On reflection, I think it was a Victory model. I know he got a decent thumb break holster with it.
I have seen Victory models, that is my best guess.
You can never take enough pictures.
Did it have a parkerized finish and a lanyard ring? That’s pretty much the determining factor. The one’s to look out for are the ones sent to the Brits chambered in .38/200 (.38 S&W with a 200 gr bullet). A lot of those were rechambered to .38 Special after the war, but the bore diameter is .361 so accuracy is marginal. British proof marks on the barrel just ahead of the frame are the tip off.
I guess (not being very familiar w/long guns) that one cannot necessarily tell the quality of a scope from the profile....in the original post there was a pix of a rifle with a pretty decent (to my untrained eye) scope.
And that Luger...isn’t that valued well over $1K? I darn well know the 10 mm stainless Colt is worth a heck of a lot more than $122!
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