Posted on 05/10/2013 11:03:04 AM PDT by cleghornboy
Of course. That is said in Scripture.
However, it does not say she was sinless. In fact, the Bible says no human is.
That belief was made up by fallible men.
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Does that mean Jesus is a sinner?
Post #16. Jesus was deity.
We don't have any indication that Mary was under the influence of Satan. She accepted the Word of God given her by the angel. Why would you say that was influenced by Satan? She likely walked by faith as did all God's servants.
But even though she had faith she was still a fallen human. God uses fallen humans for all kinds of things. He is God. He is able.
You said Paul’s statement applies to everyone. “All” have fallen short of the Law. He doesn’t say, “Everyone except Jesus”.
And he’s also able to keep her free from sin entirely.
It means sinful mankind. And if you honest about the context you will admit that God was not meant.
God is able to keep anyone from sin.
But the Scripture says men are sinners so this is not what has happened.
???
Mary was human being. Of course she wasn’t sinless.
Probably a pretty darn good person, but not sinless.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
Not sure what the point of your post is...
” “All” obviously doesn’t include God the Father, the Holy Spirit or Christ; that is... perfect deity.”
Oh. I see. So ‘all’ doesn’t really mean ‘all’, now does it.
The scriptures according to you do not say that all men sinned. So clearly ‘all’ doesn’t really mean ‘all’.
It means all mankind. Try reading the verse.
False.
You just said that Christ was an exception.
1. Paul stated, “All men sinned”
2. Paul states that Christ is a man.
3. Paul states that Christ was free of sin.
Therefore - of these three are false.
Either 2, (Christ was not a man), 3 (Christ sinned), or 1, (Paul did not refer to ‘all men’.
Choose. 1. 2. or 3. Which is it?
I have. It doesn’t say what you claim it says, “all men (except Jesus) sinned.
2 camps are discussed over and against each other, sinful mankind in the former...Christ in the latter who redeems the former.
Christ can not fall short of the glory of God because of course He IS God. Such cannot be said of mankind.
Arguing with a trolling atheist is a loosing proposition. He will argue circle logic until you start pulling your hair out. LOL! Give it up and just ignore him.
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