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“When The Real Crash Comes It Will Be Worse Than the Great Depression” (Shortened)
SHTF Plan | 4/30/13 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 04/30/2013 3:08:21 AM PDT by Kartographer

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To: greeneyes

I was a hoarder before I was a prepper, so having lots of stuff in my house seems normal for me w/r my family.

I’m surprised you didn’t talk to your kids about it. I mentioned things like economic collapse and preparing for it to my son (age 22) and he didn’t seem at all surprised. So I’ll keep talking about it off and on so he’s not caught off-guard when it happens. And knows where to come for supplies.

It’s also partly selfish on my part - he’s young and strong. His dad and I are not as young as we’ll need to be to do all the physical things required. So I’m hoping if we provide the stuff and the direction, he’ll help with the work ;)

An acre is a good amount of land to grow things on. I was told by a prepper once that he had 11 acres and that was a perfect amount to grow crops and raise animals for his family - and that included an extended family and many neighbors that he shared with. So I keep that in mind when looking for land.


101 posted on 04/30/2013 4:23:14 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Kartographer

I was going to freepmail but thought others could benefit as well.

I tried to make some sour sourdough today with limited success. The loaf rose fine, the texture is dense and divinely chest, the crust is brittle and crunchy - but there is only a hint of sourness.

I fed the starter 3 times before using - using a small amount of rye flour which really made it smell more sour. Then I let the sponge rise 24 hours at a cool temp (I read that slow long risings at a cool temp increases the sourness so I used my wine frig at the highest temp setting for the risings -neat to make it a Multi-tasked since I got the wine frog to age my cheese in.

But I digress. Then the dough - made with the sponge, water, flour, and salt - rose for 5 hours, taking it out and folding it twice to give it strength since I made the dough a wet one. Then formed the loaves and let them rise overnight in the frig . Baked at 450 with a pan of hot water on the bottom rack for steam.

My starter is from Carl ‘s sourdough and is pretty well known.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I thought preppers might be interested since a starter eliminates the need for commercial yeast. It can be dried and will last for eons. I have buckets of wheatberries stored, so if I have the starter, water, fire and my lodge dutchoven - I can have bread.


102 posted on 04/30/2013 5:17:40 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom

The crust is CHEWY - my kindle changes words on me. Between this and Dragon misunderstanding me, I hardly sound literate!


103 posted on 04/30/2013 5:19:57 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
My starter is from Carl ‘s sourdough and is pretty well known.

Where do you get that? Local, or on the net?

104 posted on 04/30/2013 8:35:05 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: broken_arrow1
For a new birth of freedom to take place, the Fall will have to be severe enough that lots of people start to question what they've always wanted to be true or believed to be true. Otherwise the same widespread conceptual errors that have been self-compounding for a long time will continue to get worse, and we will find no solution to our everyday public problems.

So then, how do we come to terms with the conceptual errors of our times? One way might be to try to understand how and where freedom fits into the hierarchy of the good, avoiding the widespread abuse of the word "freedom" (to the point of its becoming an anti-concept) and asking how freedom relates to other good things, what gives it substance, and what makes it good? Hopefully this can help us differentiate genuine freedom from the perilous idolatry of the Autonomous Self, and to recognize the contradictions in the latter that have us tied up in knots in the "real world" while the culture is enslaved to unseen manipulators.

105 posted on 04/30/2013 9:21:46 PM PDT by Mmmike
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To: yorkiemom
Back in the 60’s we read a book called 25 acres and independence, so that was always a long term goal. We bought 25 acres about 10 miles away from our current location.

Just as we were getting ready to build another home out there. Events changed, and financially, we couldn't do it. However, the land is there, and it has a creek and plenty of forage possibilities too. We'll be developing it further, or else sell part of it and buy the lots next to our back yard.

Not talking to the kids is part of OPSEC. Inadvertent loose lips. I do make it known that the excessive money printing could cause runaway inflation, and explain the importance of being the world's reserve currency.

All the things that are the likeliest scenario tornadoes, power outages, earthquakes, drought etc. In addition, I talk to them about how I felt in the past when the cities were burning, and Americans were being attacked all over the world etc.

I get peace of mind from imagining the worst, and having a plan for that. This drives them crazy, and somehow makes it harder for them to deal, so I do things my way. And they will be taken care of.

Sometimes we talk about, well if times get bad without elaborating the details of that, and then talk about the various things that we can each do. Like who is talented at cooking, sewing, gardening, etc.

I even talk to them about what it was like growing up and staying on Granny's farm without running water, heated by a wood stove, no bathroom indoors etc. So that's knowledge they'll have if they need it.

Do I tell them that Martial Law could be declared, and Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo, and could turn out to be the American version of the Gustapo?

NO I don't, but I might tell them that would make the premise of a good movie, and ask them to brainstorm what they think could bring on something like that and how do they think it would play out.

Youngest daughter and I share an interest in pesticide free heirloom foods, free range chickens, etc. Local food that we know more about exactly what we are eating. So food independence is something we work anyway.

Like I said, independence is a way of life. I don't consider myself a doomsday prepper, with some bunker mentality. I don't have a crystal ball, so I plan for contingencies starting with the usual and moving on from there.

106 posted on 04/30/2013 11:27:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: yorkiemom

Found it! Sending off for it today...


107 posted on 05/01/2013 12:34:03 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Mmmike
For a new birth of freedom to take place, the Fall will have to be severe enough that lots of people start to question what they've always wanted to be true or believed to be true.

The "free ride" will be over either way. A family can live in a mansion and live the good life while scamming credit card debt (pay off one with the other) until the bills come due and the credit line is cut off. Then it all comes crashing down and it's all gone except the pain. Wait until DC politicians then try to steal money from IRAs and bank accounts - then even the Democrat enablers will feel the pinch and pain.

108 posted on 05/01/2013 3:25:07 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: greeneyes

Sounds like a great way to instill the seeds in them so they won’t be caught off-guard when something happens. But to not cause them to panic by being too upfront if that makes them nervous. I guess a lot of people are like that - they’d rather not think about the worst. For some reason, I get comforted by thinking and planning for the worst that could happen.

I consider myself a prepper by necessity now - but will be a homesteader when I get the right conditions, like you have. Neat to have so much useful land nearby. I guess I’m a prepper when in the city, but in the mountains - that’s just the way of life up there. Simpler, closer to nature, splitting and stacking and using firewood to heat, the power and water outages that occur often - it’s all wonderful, IMO.


109 posted on 05/01/2013 6:23:41 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: JDoutrider

They are pretty quick with it. Weird thing though - it’s Carl’s Oregon Trail Sourdough, but the return address was somewhere in New England....

Let me know if you have luck making SOUR sourdough. I’m enjoying my last batch of bread, but am missing the San Francisco-type sourness.


110 posted on 05/01/2013 6:25:08 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: JDoutrider

Hubby just called from the SF airport - wanted to know if I wanted him to bring home some Boudin bread. But since he’s driving a motorcycle (new toy - his 3rd M/C) home from Washington, I think the bread would be a bit stale by the time it got here.


111 posted on 05/01/2013 8:54:40 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom

Well I grew up in the Ozark Mountains (really just hills LOL), and it is just a way of life. One that I enjoy. We had all this stuff already before “prepping” was a common term.

When people start acting like the world has ended, just because there’s no electricity, I just kinda think, well for most of man’s recorded history we didn’t have electricity so what’s the big deal.

When I was really young, we didn’t even have a refrigerator or freezer. There was no TV, Computer’s, and a lot of people didn’t have phones-and by the way, the ones that did have phones-well they weren’t smart-they were dumb!LOL


112 posted on 05/01/2013 11:25:49 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: yorkiemom

For some reason, I get comforted by thinking and planning for the worst that could happen.

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Me too. I don’t deal well with uncertainty. So I ask myself, well what is the worst thing that can happen? Then I decide the best way to handle it.

Once I have the solution, I usually think, well that’s not so bad after all-I can deal with that. Then I relax and go on about my daily life.


113 posted on 05/01/2013 11:32:00 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Well I grew up in the Ozark Mountains (really just hills LOL), and it is just a way of life. One that I enjoy. We had all this stuff already before “prepping” was a common term.

Awww, lucky you! That is what I aspire to. I was born to a mother that loved malls, city social life, didn't want to get dirty, and expected her girls to be just like her. Took me years to figure out I was a mountain/country/rural person.

Yes, interesting that people survived without very much for a long time - and now we expect instant gratification on the smallest things. I guess that's why I gravitate to a simple life - even a power outage at the cabin just brings me back to simplicity, using the oil lamps, going to bed early, and I'm strangely more content when that happens. But slowly 'evolve' back to normal life when the power is back on. But at least my cell phone is limited - I can only make calls with it, LOL! And I don't even turn it on half the time because it just wears down the battery. I guess I'm quietly rebelling...
114 posted on 05/01/2013 2:09:49 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom

Oh, I meant crunchy. Not chewy.

The heck with this post.....;)


115 posted on 05/01/2013 3:30:40 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Marcella; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; greeneyes
Finally, an economist/investment man, has put a time line on the collapse. He says it will happen before Obama’s term is over. Next year, Obamacare starts. We may not make it through 2014

Here's a site with Mr. Schiff's predictions and how they turned out. Although he was 'uncannily accurate' (their words) about the 2008 market crash, housing crash, and high unemployment, the rest of his record is not stellar. Could just be an issue of off timing, so while I agree with his assessment that what we are doing is not sustainable, I can't sell the farm (or in my case, buy one) based on this current prediction alone.

Peter Schiff Prediction Summary
116 posted on 05/01/2013 3:35:59 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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