Wow, thanks for taking the time to reply in such depth, I appreciate all the effort.
Can you name ANY Tea Party endorsed Republican in either House of Congress who has called for congressional hearings on either the constitutional definition of the term “natural born citizen” or for hearings on the bona fides of Barry Soetoro?
By way of contrast, the House of Representatives has been more than willing to issue myriad congressional subpoenas for every file in their “Fast & Furious” investigation and even hold for the first time in American history, the Attorney General in Contempt of Congress for his recalcitrance (and he’s black).t
Can you name any well known conservative constitutionalist attorney (such as any of the former Republican Solicitor Generals) who has submitted an amicus brief in support of any Obama eligibility challenge?
Both former Governor Lingle and former Director of Health Fukino were sued multiple times to force the release of birth records related to Obama’s eligibility ( as has been current Health Director Fuddy)). Lingle and Fukino prevailed in all the lawsuits against them.
There has been ample opportunity to raise and examine all the issues you have discussed. There have been 206 Obama eligibility civil actions filed in courts in practically every state in the nation. To date, 201 of those civil actions have been adjudicated. There have also been 90 state and federal appellate level rulings and 25 denials of certiorari or applications for stays, injunctions or extraordinary writs such as mandamus/prohibition at the Supreme Court of the United States. Every one of the Justices in the 5-4 conservative majority except Justice Alito has had the opportunity to grant a stay or an injunction but none have.
Here are quotes from two conservative judges who have adjudicated cases involving these eligibility issues, first a Reagan judge and second a Bush #43 judge:
“Ever persistent, plaintiff (Orly Taitz) has once again come before this court in an effort to uncover “the biggest cover up in the history of this nation.”
She believes that the President is using a “fraudulently obtained” social security number and that the Social Security Administration—among other agencies—is involved in a scheme to cover up social security fraud, IRS fraud, elections fraud—and possibly treason” committed by the President.
As her numerous filings with the court demonstrate, plaintiff will stop at nothing to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy. Unfortunately for plaintiff, today is not her lucky day.”—Chief US District Court Judge for the District of Columbia, Royce C. Lamberth. Taitz v. Astrue, 8/30/11
http://www.legaltimes.typepad.com/files/Lamberth-opinion-4.pdf
“A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—Rhodes v MacDonald, US District Court Judge Clay D. Land, US District Court for the Middle District of Georgia, September 16, 2009.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19809978/RHODES-v-MacDONALD-13-ORDER-denying-3-Motion-for-TRO-granting-8-Motion-to-Dismiss-Ordered-by-Judge-Clay-D-Land-on-09162009-CGC-Entered-0
When you total the multi-judge appeals court panels, the state elections boards with citizen members hearing ballot eligibility challenges (there were challenges heard in 22 states in 2012) including the 206 original jurisdiction judges, pretty darn close to a thousand Triers of Fact have had opportunities to examine allegations and evidence concerning birth records, father’s place of birth, social security numbers, Selective Service registration, kerning, photoshop, layers, smiley faces, Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate and every other allegation.
But since 2008: zilch.
And here I wondered if might be clashing swords with you in vigorous debate about whether there are legitimate reasons to doubt the certificate, but after a single (yes, a long one, I realize) reply to your post, you abandoned parrying and jabbing and tried dropping a piano on my head.
If I'm not mistaken our dialogue could be roughly summarized in this way:
ME: Hey rawlycat, I don't think its fair to declare the Birth Cert forgery evidence "irrelevant."
YOU: Hey ecinkc, did you ever consider that the reason everybody in congress ignores the Birth Cert forgery evidence is because they realize that it doesn't stand up to the fact that GOP Gov Lingle and her chums at the HDOH already told us "everything is hunky dory"?
ME: Oh, um, hi there Nero. Well, despite Governor Lingle's assurances, I actually think there's a long list of statements and actions which seem to thoroughly tip the balances toward casting doubt on Lingle's statement and adding strength to the forgery evidence. Can't you see why I would be influenced by the following issues?: long list, long list, long list, lon . . . etc.
YOU: Oh yeah, you lousy loser? How about this? Your puny team of weaklings loses everything! You lost this battle, you lost that battle, and then you lost these other fortyleven battles over there. You've never won anything, and no one who even counts agrees with you at all, dweeb! Your ridiculous Russian queen is the laughing stock of the entire universe right about now! All you do is lose, lose, lose, because you and your 17 loser friends are all a bunch of big, fat losers!
So if I'm to give you the benefit of the doubt I'll suppose you have chosen this course of "argument" because you actually do care enough to want me to come to the truth and have decided the best tact to accomplish that for a loser like me is to remind me of the overwhelming majority consensus standing against me and my rag-tag band of comrades. Maybe you thought, "I know how to refute each and every pathetic argument the pitiful ecinkc is launching, but who has time to work through all of the that? The best way to get through to this dolt is to tell him all his tea party heroes and all the judges and legal scholars in the land loudly and consistently disagree with him." Or, maybe you thought, "Hmm those would be interesting arguments to evaluate and research and hear him out on, if I wasn't already so sure that something so preposterous as a president getting away with a forged birth certificate is simply impossible. So I'll just give him the big picture and be done with it."
In either of those cases, I must agree that the numbers are thoroughly sobering and daunting, and I would be a fool to not consider the fact that if the whole world is against me, there's a good chance I'm simply mistaken. The trouble is, on this Obama identity fraud issue, it seems I'm just so remedial as to be incorrigible. I'm afraid I'm forever going to be lost in my bizarro-world until someone stoops to my level and convincingly goes toe-to-toe with me on the facts, weeding out my irrational views one at a time. So, you big bully, I've heard you out. I am a twerpy little loser on a team full of losers that practically everyone on the face of earth disagrees with, and so for that reason alone I should wake up and realize I must be wrong. I'll be spitting up sand for weeks, and I hope you're satisfied. Now, don't you have enough to do elsewhere, without having to take over my little spot in the playground also?
On the other hand if I'm to be less generous in my assessment of your tact, I might wonder if perhaps you're feeling as though you're outmatched when it comes to arguing the objective facts on whether Team Obama and the HDOH has been shooting straight with us. Perhaps then, as a result you've realized your best shot is to attempt to break my resolve (and that of others who may be watching) by rubbing my face in the fact that no one who's anyone is honestly giving the objective evidence its due weight. You hope that forcing me and others to face the crushing blow of the inevitable futility of our efforts, will be enough to get some of us to give up and go home. At the same time, faced with your inability to keep up with the arguments focused on actual evidence, this "yeah but you measly pipsqueaks have lost every game you've ever played in" offers you some comfort along with the empty pleasure you feel from gloating.
If it's this latter paragraph which describes you best, you are not merely a bully, you are a villain who stands against reason and wisdom. You should stop what you're doing right now and rethink your life.
Have a nice day! :-)