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To: MarDav

‘There is only one sin that is not forgivable and that is the sin of denying His Son.’

Luke 12:10

And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Know your Bible.

As for me I deny both his son and the Holy Spirit so in you eyes there must be no hope for me. You can believe what you want but any attempt to change my belief is a waste of both of our times. Also I am very sure that the reverse is true. All of my friends that believe as I do came too it on their own rather than any coaxing.


64 posted on 04/03/2013 6:10:31 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

I do know my Bible. You need to read posts more carefully. I was quoting one who I heard give his take on the message of the Bible, and not quoting the Bible itself. And, if you were to rightly understand the Bible, you would understand that what the speaker was citing was a Biblical truth. Christ talks of the Spirit that was going to indwell His followers “which testifies of Me.” So, the point the individual was referencing was biblical. Knowing this comes from knowing your Bible.

As to your denying Christ and the Holy Spirit, you are accurate to a point. It is not I that says you are beyond hope, but God. And, like your friends, you cannot come to the Father except the Son draw you. So, they are in their state, you are in your state and I am in my state because of the drawing (or lack thereof) by Christ. Now, it could be that in our brief time, discussing these things, He has attempted to draw you, and you have not responded (in fact, I am sure that this is so...the purpose of the church, of which I am part, is to preach the Gospel to all men). It is not my job to save you, but to sow seed. Salvation is all of God (not you saving you, not me saving you, not some institution saving you, but Christ saving you.) That you stand outside of that salvation just now is of significance in terms of eternity. Eternity has begun and you and your friends and I are at a certain point on that time line (which here in this temporary house we call life has a beginning and an end, but, in terms of eternity, stretches back before the beginning of beginnings and ends way past the ending of all endings). Christ’s salvation is “to the uttermost” and for all eternity. That you don’t see this is understandable, these things are spiritually discerned and, not having His Spirit,these things are foolishness to you (who, the Bible says, are perishing). And not only are things pertaining to eternity foolishness to you, but all of the Bible. The Gospel. The cross. God becoming man. These things are foolishness to you. This doesn’t render them any less true; you just won’t subscribe to them.

And, so, you will not be convinced. Sounds like I have to agree with you on that. What does this mean for you? Nothing now...All things continue on as they were, “Where is the promise of His coming?” You don’t see it. You look at a creation (this is where you say you see God) and you cannot imagine Him revealing Himself beyond the intricacies, the beauty, the vastness, the scope, the breadth, the perfection of design. The very creation speaks of a mind at work, yet you do not inquire of it other than to commune with the things created and not the Creator Who created them. And this is what GOD calls foolishness:

Rom 1:20-22,25
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
...Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


65 posted on 04/03/2013 7:17:17 AM PDT by MarDav
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