Shock Audio: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Says He's Waiting On Presidential Eligibility Case

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[little jeremiah]

All this discussion about his ancestry is moot. His documents are forgeries. So no one knows who his real parents are or where he was born, or on what date. The fact that his docs are forged needs to be publicly addressed, and then the search for his actual identity can begin.

[little jeremiah]

His parents naturalized after he was born, from everything I’ve read.

[little jeremiah]

Who gives a crap what you’d be more inclined to accept.

What is important is the intent of the Constitution.

How disgustingly self centered.

[little jeremiah]

Yeah, the big joke. What senses of humor the Nine Nazgul have! Guffaw guffaw, the hilarious eligibilty issue! ROTFPIMPLMAO!

What cards those SCOTUS dudes are. They see the humor in everything.

[Nero Germanicus]

Marco Rubio was born in 1971, in Miami. His parents naturalized as US citizens in 1975.

[noinfringers2]

I think such a comment from Kennedy shows not only a bias to to give him and the other Justices a way out of the Constitutional lock the Founders put on them but also shows he is not a man to be a trustee for the Constitution. The Founders wanted to exclude the least taint of allegiance so that persons like the border babies and folks like the two Muslim sons of the present Muslim Egyptian President could not become POTUSA not only as for time but for origin of birth. We will see on the 4th of July just how much hypochracy there is in the USA as for true allegiance.

[Jeff Winston]

Thank you for that clarification. My Representative, Raul Labrador, is Puerto Rican also, although I am not sure if he was born in the U.S. or immigrated here.

You'll hear a lot of different opinions here about citizenship, some of them badly misinformed.

Generally, it appears that persons born in Puerto Rico since December 1952 are on the same footing as persons born in the 50 States:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86756.pdf

[Godebert]

"John Jay, the nation's first chief justice of the Supreme Court, made it pretty clear that it wasn't just European royalty that was the impetus behind the natural-born citizen clause":

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen".

Bingo.

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

[Candor7]

All this discussion about his ancestry is moot. His documents are forgeries. So no one knows who his real parents are or where he was born, or on what date. The fact that his docs are forged needs to be publicly addressed, and then the search for his actual identity can begin.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is exactly corect. We also have no genuine documentary proof the Stanley Anne Dunham was Obamas biological mother. The whole Obama “family” story is just fiction created out of whole cloth.

We have a sitting president that is nothing more than a cypher, a nullity. Obama is as UnAmerican as he can be without getting himself impeached or assassinated, a traitor of the the first order.

We revolt against Obama’s “Brave New World.” We detest everything Obama stands for. Yet there he is, elected by the malleable , low information American masses. The Nation is in a very real fix.Horrible!

Good Read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

[bluecat6]

“....born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776.”....David Ramsay, 1789. “

Great quote.

Your ‘natural’ citizenship follows that of your parents.
And your parents citizenship was usually solely based on the father.

McCain passed this basic definition. Most others in the mix - have not.

I am sure there is more on this subject in the records that is not being brought forward. Such as the explaination as to why there was was a ‘considered as’ clause in the 1790 immigration act but why it was dropped in the 1795 act.

Blood was far thicker than dirt.

[TheOldLady]

Ping.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Well, Puerto Rico is not a foreign country. So if the stricture of the Constitution was to avoid people born in a foreign country from becoming our President, that wouldn’t apply to a person born in a territory of the United States.

The Constitution does not define “natural born” to the detail needed to know for certainty that it means “born in a state of the union, rather than “born in a territory under the control of the union”.

There are a lot of areas that would have to be adjudicated. If you were born in an Embassy, would you be “natural born”? An Embassy is considered sovereign territory of the country, but it isn’t a particular state. Could a person born in the District Of Columbia be “natural born”? I assume so, but it isn’t a state either. But it is more than a territory.

Panama canal? Born on a cruise ship outside our territorial waters? Born in the Bahamas during a weekend vacation for your parents from Kansas?

Who gives a crap about your opinion? The people who decide you area speaking intelligently and with some thought as to the issue. It’s not like you are on the Supreme Court or are in any position to actually dictate terms, so beyond that your opinion is useless. As is mine.

But at least I am trying to understand what the issue is, and since my acceptance is BASED ON the intent of the constitution, it clearly meets your standard of “important”.

I’m not sure what you use to “accept” things, but in the end, acceptance is always “self-centered”, as it is about you.

[Fantasywriter]

That is a priceless quote; thanks for posting.

The only people it will bother are liberals. They have this insane, irrational, fundamentally moonbatty idea that the Framers wanted to turn the country over to people w foreign allegiances. Common sense alone tells you that was the LAST thing the Framers wanted.

Obama proves their wisdom every single day. He governs not as a liberal but as a foreign occupier. His goal is not socialist/communist utopia but the destruction of the USA. This was entirely predictable—and anticipated by the Framers.

Thanks again for the quote. It’s a keeper.

[bgill]

What really got me was Congress spent a lot of time on McLame’s eligibility and blew off the Obama’s eligibility.

What got me was that Obama wa one of the 6 senators who were on vetting committee (SR 511)for McLame and he agreed that NBC meant two US citizen parents. Not only did he agree to that definition in committee but again when it went to the floor. Of course, the msm hasn't asked him about that.

[Fantasywriter]

Obama has acted for all of his adolescence & adult life [the latter being the time frame in which a perpetual adolescent occupied an adult body] as if rules don’t apply to him. People around him have acquiesced. Liberals do it because they actually think he is special; everyone else does it to avoid being called a racist.

God’s rules are the only ones Obama cannot supersede. People—including Obama—get the idea that if God doesn’t act right away He’s not going to act. The Bible talks about this misconception a lot. [See Psa 50 for one example.] In fact, God waits for the optimal moment according to the eternal timetable. When He does act, it is devastating [to those who have intentionally mocked Him, as Obama has gone out of his way to do numerous times].

Barring a major change of heart, Obama is headed for a catastrophic fall. We should pray he has a come to Jesus moment before it’s too late. No true Christian should wish for him the fate he is taunting. Jesus Himself commanded us to love our enemies & pray for them. Who knows? Maybe there’s still time for Obama to turn it around & get his house in order. We shall see.

[Nero Germanicus]

You, of course, are not thinking like a left-wing socialist (Obama). There’s always an out with them. Senator Obama agreed to the two citizen parent requirement FOR PERSONS BORN OUTSIDE OF THE CONTINENTAL US, such as in the Panama Canal Zone. Zero’s co-sponsorship of Resolution SR 511 was to highlight McCain’s birth outside of the US.

That position strengthened Obama’s claim to his birth inside the US. The House of Representatives passed House Resolution 593 in 2009 on a vote of 378-0 in the 111th Congress which contains the clause “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961:” political cover for Obama.
And guess what? The House of Representatives has not held one minute of hearings on Obama’s natural born citizenship eligibility in four years.

[SatinDoll]

NO, Jeff, you’re wrong.

Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the U.S.A., and not a state of the union. U.S. citizenship is statutory.

Per Wikipedia - Puerto Rico - Within the United States

“Puerto Ricans “were collectively made U.S. citizens” in 1917 as a result of the Jones-Shafroth Act.[87] However, U.S. citizens residing in Puerto Rico cannot vote for the U.S. president, though both major parties, Republican and Democrat, run primary elections in Puerto Rico to send delegates to vote on a presidential candidate. Since Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory (see above) and not a U.S. state, the United States Constitution does not fully enfranchise US citizens residing in Puerto Rico.[67][88] (See also: “Voting rights in Puerto Rico”). Despite their American citizenship, however, only the “fundamental rights” under the federal constitution apply to Puerto Ricans. Various other U.S Supreme Court decisions have held which rights apply in Puerto Rico and which ones do not. Puerto Ricans have a long history of service in the U.S. armed forces and, since 1917, they have been included in the U.S. compulsory draft whenever it has been in effect.”

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A 2012 nonbinding plebiscite indicates general public support among Puerto Ricans for joining the union as a state.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Are all Puerto Ricans US citizens? By virtue of being born in PR?

Yes and yes. But that is true only because Congress said so by statute, unlike someone born in one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia, who is a citizen by birth because of the Constitution. So that is why this is a gray area, and why Serrano always teases the jusstices about it.

[Dajjal]

obumpa

[highball]

Never the less, his birth status was governed by the British Act of 1948 when he was born in 1961. A true Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen does not have their birth status governed by a foreign sovereignty.

No US citizen does.

Foreign governments can pass any manner of foolish laws about who they think they can lay claim to, but those are entirely irrelevant to us.

Unless, of course, you're willing to admit Israeli laws, which would make any Jew ineligible to seek the Presidency, and Irish laws, which would do the same for any American who had an Irish grandparent.

You wouldn't, though, because that would be stupid. Exclude a third-generation American? Exclude Jews by nature of their religion or ethnicity? Nonsense. It's antithetical, not to mention offensive, to the very nature of our country.

The only alternative, however, is to admit that no other country's laws have any bearing on who is or isn't a Natural Born Citizen. Personally, I say to hell with the rest of the world, and what they want. We'll take care of our own definitions.