[muawiyah]

People is 'plural' for 'person' ~ but you can't have individual rights if 'the people' don't have those rights ~ in fact, if you have such a system that's the old traditional king/nobles system ~ and I am not a Royalist. You, on the other hand, are!

The old class system is not the worst thing that can happen to people ~ it's a step up from anarchy and barbarism, but we don't do that. The Second Amendment, in fact, by referring to the right to keep and bear arms literally enobles 100% of 'the people' ~ so all of us have all the rights and privileges that any nobleman ever had, and that's not bad.

Your problem is you're balled up in this false conflict between 'individualism' and 'community' ~ they are not in conflict. In fact the Bill of Rights tells me I can associate with whoever wants to associate with me and there's nothing you and your kind can do about it ~

[JustSayNoToNannies]

you can't have individual rights if 'the people' don't have those rights ~ in fact, if you have such a system that's the old traditional king/nobles system ~

And a system in which "the people" but not individuals have rights is collectivism.

and I am not a Royalist. You, on the other hand, are!

Wrong - my position is not that only certain individuals have rights but that all individuals do.

Your problem is you're balled up in this false conflict between 'individualism' and 'community' ~ they are not in conflict.

They certainly are when the community tells the individual that even behind the closed doors of his home he can't engage in certain activities because the community thinks he shouldn't.