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1 posted on 02/25/2013 4:58:23 AM PST by expat1000
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2 posted on 02/25/2013 5:09:57 AM PST by expat1000
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I think we should outsource Capital murder cases to the Chinese and Russians.

Executions there typically take place within a week of sentencing.


3 posted on 02/25/2013 5:11:49 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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4 posted on 02/25/2013 5:12:27 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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...Dunlap and his lawyers did everything possible to get their client off.

I would like to point out that that is the lawyers' job to do "everything possible to their client off." It is the state’s job to figure out how to cut off frivolous appeals and not to appoint idiot judges that will allow them to go forward. The problem is not the lawyers but the court system.

6 posted on 02/25/2013 5:47:34 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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We need to stop allowing special circumstances to mitigate crimes. I don’t care if the murderer is retarded, insane, sexually abused, or anything else. They all deserve the same penalty.
And I don’t care if he (or she) suffers, either.


7 posted on 02/25/2013 5:51:42 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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As a general rule I cannot support a death penalty in America at this point in time; too many ways it resembles giving the Ronnie Earles, Janet Renos, Scott Harshbargers, Martha Coakleys, and Mike Nifongs of the world a license to kill people.

In theory at least I've got nothing against hanging somebody like Manson, Dennis Rader, Paul Bernardo, John Mohammed...

Here's the problem: I'd want several changes to the system before I could feel good about capital punishment anymore.

1. Guilt should be beyond any doubt whatsoever; the usual criteria of guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't cut it for hanging somebody.

2. The person in question must represent a continuing threat to society should he ever escape or otherwise get loose. The "bird man" of Alcatraz would not qualify, John Mohammed clearly would.

3. I'd want all career/money incentives for convicting people of crimes gone which would mean scrapping the present "adversarial" system of justice in favor of something like the French "inquisitorial" system in which the common objective of all parties involved was a determination of facts.

4. I'd want there to be no societal benefit to keeping the person alive. Cases in which this criteria would prevent hanging somebody would include "Son of Sam" who we probably should want to study more than hang, or Timothy McVeigh who clearly knew more than the public ever was allowed to hear.

Given all of that I could feel very good about hanging Charles Manson, John Muhammed, or Paul Bernardo, but that's about what it would take.

In fact in a totally rational world the job of District Attorney as it is known in America would not exist. NOBODY should ever have any sort of a career or money incentive for sending people to prison, much less for executing people. The job of District Attorney in America seems to involve almost limitless power and very little resembling accountability and granted there is no shortage of good people who hold the job, the combination has to attract the wrong kinds of people as well.

They expected DNA testing to eliminate the prime suspect in felony cases in something like one or two percent of cases and many people were in states of shock when that number came back more like 33 or 35%. That translates into some fabulous number of people sitting around in prisons for stuff they don't know anything at all about since the prime suspect in a felony case usually goes to prison. Moreover, in a state like Texas which executes a hundred people a year or thereabouts, that has to translate into innocent people being executed here and there.

But the kicker is the adversarial system of justice. THAT we'd need to get rid of, with or without any consideration of death penalties. The price we're paying for it is too high.

9 posted on 02/25/2013 6:21:59 AM PST by varmintman
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