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Mormon Church Working on Bill to Protect Gays From Discrimination
Hypervocal.com ^ | Feb. 8, 2013 | Slade Sohmer

Posted on 02/10/2013 11:11:34 AM PST by Colofornian

There’s an astonishing piece in Thursday’s Salt Lake Tribune, and if you haven’t been paying attention to the sudden “evolution” of the Mormon church’s leadership on homosexuality, it will make your jaw drop.

Most people associate The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with overwhelming animous towards the LGBT community, heaping on the church total responsibility for 2008′s devastating Prop 8 victory.

But, wait, times are a-changing, and the Mormons are now working with Utah’s LGBT leaders to help craft a statewide anti-discrimination law:

Attorneys for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are in quiet discussions with leaders of Utah’s gay and lesbian community, trying to hammer out language for a statewide ban on housing and employment discrimination that the church could support.

Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo, opened a bill file on Thursday — the last day to request attorneys draft legislation — titled Housing and Employment Amendments and will sponsor the legislation should an agreement be reached.

The church actually endorsed a similar ordinance in 2009 in Salt Lake City.

This is momentous, surely, but the Mormon faith, whether real or done for politics, is changing. In December, Mormon leaders launched a website called mormonsandgays.org, and the church stressed that homosexuality is not a choice, that all the brothers and sisters need to be treated with compassion, that we all “need to love one another.”

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TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuals; lds; ldschurch; mormonism; religiousleft; romney; romneyagenda; specialrights
From the article: ...the Mormons are now working with Utah’s LGBT leaders to help craft a statewide anti-discrimination law: Attorneys for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are in quiet discussions with leaders of Utah’s gay and lesbian community, trying to hammer out language for a statewide ban on housing and employment discrimination that the church could support. Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo, opened a bill file on Thursday — the last day to request attorneys draft legislation — titled Housing and Employment Amendments and will sponsor the legislation should an agreement be reached.

From the article: The church actually endorsed a similar ordinance in 2009 in Salt Lake City.

For the 2009 Lds church climbing aboard to equate homosexuality with minority class status, see:
* Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights
* and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws

From the article: In December, Mormon leaders launched a website called mormonsandgays.org, and the church stressed that homosexuality is not a choice, that all the brothers and sisters need to be treated with compassion, that we all “need to love one another.”

Series of Questions:
* How does the Mormon church know that homosexuality is NEVER a choice?
* Have they rifled thru every homosexual experience in the history of mankind?
* Is this "so" of every sexual orientation? For example, do pedophiles exercise a "choice?" (Or is that, per the Mormon church, just their "sexual orientation?")
* And, if we're all born with a sin nature -- given that even the Book of Mormon teaches that men have a "carnal and fallen state" and that unless "they become new creatures...unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God." (Mosiah 27:26)...adding in v. 25 & elsewhere in the BoM that they "must be born again" -- then isn't that a far leap to say "we have NO choice" but to sin constantly...because of our "carnal and fallen state"???

Where are the so-called "conservative" Mormons in rising up vs. the Mormon church on this?

1 posted on 02/10/2013 11:11:48 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Are you on some kind of Jihad against the Mormons?


2 posted on 02/10/2013 11:14:55 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Colofornian
I have a bad feeling the BSA are about to cave to these homosexual perverts.

I just can't believe how fast we're spiraling downward.

3 posted on 02/10/2013 11:15:43 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Colofornian
The quicker the definition of marriage is undone, the quicker Mormons can go back to polygamy.
4 posted on 02/10/2013 11:19:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: BenLurkin
Actually, it's been just the reverse re: the Mormon church upon Christianity these past almost 200 years:

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects

Mormon Source

[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
“...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30
Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938]
“In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 55,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)] Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996

5 posted on 02/10/2013 11:24:36 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: ConservativeMind
Ah yes, those who thought the Mormons were hankering after polygamy were probably right.

Maybe we should take a poll here on FR to check out the regulars

6 posted on 02/10/2013 11:28:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Artcore
I have a bad feeling the BSA are about to cave to these homosexual perverts.

That, unfortunately, is the power of public opinion. The left has completely taken over the education, media and entertainment establishments and has convinced a majority of the public that homosexuality is perfectly okay. Now that public opinion is with the gay lobby, it will be used as a cudgel to force traditional organizations to cater to homosexuals. The Boy Scouts will cave in the end because the majority of public opinion is no longer with them. The Mormon church is probably feeling pressured to do the same. Don't think many protestant denominations won't cave as well. The pressure on them to conform on this issue is just massive. Even the Catholic church, at least in the West, may crack under this unrelenting pressure.

I just can't believe how fast we're spiraling downward.

It is scary. What passes for the "American public" at this point is just pathetic. I am not sure there is any way to reverse the damage at this point. The decline will probably just have to play itself out.

7 posted on 02/10/2013 11:28:57 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: ConservativeMind

No doubt. They can also turn on a dime on the same gender issue if the current “President Prophet Seer and Revelator” gets a special message from God by which they already govern the Mormon Church.

The reason they rejected polygamy was primarily because it was adversely impacting their existence. If those tables were turned and the negative impact is not doing something else they’ll flip faster than a politician.

And note that the GOP Presidential Nominee last time, a devout mormon, implemented all the things in MA as governor that he ran as being opposed to if he was president.


8 posted on 02/10/2013 11:31:42 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Colofornian

The homosexual agenda (including queer marriage) provides a natural philosophical base from which to bring plural wives out of the closet. I think that’s the goal here.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 11:32:55 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
The homosexual agenda (including queer marriage) provides a natural philosophical base from which to bring plural wives out of the closet. I think that’s the goal here.

Look at this last quote from this FAQ on Mormon mainstream polygamy:

Church Apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated: "Obviously the holy practice (of polygamy) will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium." (Mormon Doctrine, 1966 edition)
Secondary source: Mormon Polygamy - Frequently Asked Questions

What's not usually stated in commentaries upon this comment from an Lds "apostle" is that Mormons...in our generation...deem polygamy as "holy." (Note, there was no hue & cry to remove this comment from reprints after its 1966 printing...see Church-Owned Deseret Book Stops Publishing McConkie’s “Mormon Doctrine”, Claiming “Low Sales”...the Mormon church didn't put it by the wayside until 2010...and even then, didn't "diss" anything in the book all these years!)

10 posted on 02/10/2013 11:50:07 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Holy?

Poor Emma!

She saw what her pervert husband (Joseph Smith) was doing to Fanny in the barn.

11 posted on 02/10/2013 12:07:17 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Colofornian

Urges are not indicitive of innateness of a condition...Homosexuality is most assuredly a choice.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 12:53:45 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Colofornian

I will have to say at least the Mormons get politically involved. The other faiths are afraid to speak out about anything but hell.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 12:58:18 PM PST by Terry Mross (Who long before America is no more?)
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To: Colofornian

I will have to say at least the Mormons get politically involved. The other faiths are afraid to speak out about anything but hell.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 12:59:22 PM PST by Terry Mross (Who long before America is no more?)
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To: Terry Mross
I will have to say at least the Mormons get politically involved. The other faiths are afraid to speak out about anything but hell.

In my experience, Lds are AWOL -- and have been -- from most pro-life groups. Now I'm not saying they're not by and large mostly pro-life. I just haven't seen that "political involvement" there that you're talking about.

Re: state ballot initiatives defending marriage as between one man and one woman, they DID get involved in two such California initiatives. (So high five to CALIFORNIA Mormons on that).

But such initiatives have been on the ballots in other states...and haven't heard anything about Mormons beyond California.

15 posted on 02/10/2013 1:07:29 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Not a surprise. Once mormonism redefines marriage for one, they can openly practice polygamy the only way to the top level of celestial being.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 1:08:40 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: BenLurkin

Hum? So now posting information about a “conservative” group practicing mormonism, on a subject which is of concern to most conservatives, is some how a psychoblather holy war - why?


17 posted on 02/10/2013 1:13:58 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian

Well Willard did say that homosexuals in what he called “a loving relationship” should be able to adopt...

and as Willard is the father of gay marriage he would have to mean “legal marriage” when he said “loving relationship”

HEY !!!

Willard Mitt Romney said that, not me...

Scorch him..


18 posted on 02/10/2013 1:48:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

...please either learn the true Gosple of Love which is Christianity .... or seek professional help for your obsession.


19 posted on 02/10/2013 2:08:02 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: Colofornian

...please either learn the true Gosple of Love which is Christianity .... or seek professional help for your obsession.


20 posted on 02/10/2013 2:08:19 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: ConservativeMind

Wow, I never thought about it that way.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 2:12:54 PM PST by drinktheobamakoolaid (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Artcore

>>I just can’t believe how fast we’re spiraling downward.

Read Romans 1++

“Because of this, God gave them over”

He gets kinda uppity when folks start worshiping themselves and the Golden Calf, again.

The frogs are in the air.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 2:35:34 PM PST by TArcher
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To: Colofornian
Mormon Church Working on Bill to Protect Gays From Discrimination

I guess GOD will be pleased!!!


Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

23 posted on 02/10/2013 5:52:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BenLurkin
Are you on some kind of Jihad against the Mormons?

No


Are you on some kind of Jihad against MormonISM?

Yes.

It is a damnable heresy from Hell, and "C" is a member in good standing, using the vastly leveraged power, of the Flying Inmen.

A mere handful of Christians of various stripes that are butting heads with a few wannabe MORMON apologists on FR and thwarting the efforts of 50,000 mushed filled heads of Mormon Missionaires.


We'll be GLAD to answer your questions about MORMON doctrine and teachings as well as illustrate BIBLE truth.

24 posted on 02/10/2013 5:57:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tau Food
She saw what her pervert husband (Joseph Smith) was doing to Fanny in the barn.


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
 
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
 
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

25 posted on 02/10/2013 5:59:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe

6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. (1 Corinthians 13:6)

Teppe, please join me in rejoicing with the truth...if you are engaged in hiding the truth, please don't hide it under a bushel. And furthermore, it's not a very "loving" thing to do for those who either "delight in evil" -- or sanction it (Romans 1:32): 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

You don't approve of the Mormon church sanctioning the behavior of homosexuals as somehow being similar to your skin color, do you? Or do you?

26 posted on 02/10/2013 6:12:19 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: ICE-FLYER
Homosexuality is most assuredly a choice.

Lesbians affirm this.

It's the boys who have no choice; according to the current popular opinion.

27 posted on 02/11/2013 3:38:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Terry Mross
I will have to say at least the Mormons get politically involved. The other faiths are afraid to speak out about anything but hell.

You need to come back to Earth; if your planet is so wishy-washy.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 3:39:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
I will have to say at least the Mormons get politically involved.

Butt...

Just WHO has infiltrated whom???


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/mitch-mayne-gay-mormon-leader_n_945542.html

29 posted on 02/11/2013 3:44:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
...please either learn the true Gosple of Love which is Christianity .... or seek professional help for your obsession.


Like THIS???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

30 posted on 02/11/2013 3:47:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
...please either learn the true Gosple of Love which is Christianity ...

The word REBUKE not found in YOUR bible???


 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



31 posted on 02/11/2013 3:49:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
seek professional help for your obsession.

Haven't you learned by NOW that we FI's do NOT respond to your childish, schoolyard namecalling attacks?

We have NO need to 'defend' ourselves against sure purile words; seeking instead to let you MORMONs and MORMONism lovers just illustrate your inner man (or woman; as the case might be.)

32 posted on 02/11/2013 3:51:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
Haven't you learned by NOW that we FI's do NOT respond to your ...

Time to re-read your old memo from Headquarters:


Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

July 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

I know how proud you ALL must be that we have TWO of our own in the pipeline to be President of this great country of OURS!
 
I know that there seems to be problems with both of these fine gentlemen (Oh for a WORTHY man to enter the race.  Yes; I said MAN!) but these can be easily overcome.
 
They've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!
 
As in the past, if we can label their detractors as Religious Bigots, then our work is nearly over.  If they waste their time defending themselves from that charge, we'll be able to gloss over the other minor imperfections that these men have.
 
 
As ever, remember that our adversaries will be confounded in due time.  (D&C 71)
 
 

 
 
Tommy


33 posted on 02/11/2013 3:53:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TArcher
The frogs are in the air.

INDEED!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_frog
 
http://www.google.com/search?q=raining+frogs&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475
 

34 posted on 02/11/2013 3:56:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
This is momentous, surely, but the Mormon faith, whether real or done for politics, is changing.



I'm STILL the boss!

35 posted on 02/11/2013 4:01:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BenLurkin
 In December, Mormon leaders launched a website called mormonsandgays.org, and the church stressed that homosexuality is not a choice, that all the brothers and sisters need to be treated with compassion, that we all “need to love one another.”
 





I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

36 posted on 02/11/2013 4:03:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BenLurkin
Knowledge is a wonderful thing
37 posted on 02/11/2013 4:04:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What planet are you on? This one is about as wishy washy as they come.


38 posted on 02/11/2013 10:06:56 AM PST by Terry Mross (Who long before America is no more?)
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To: Elsie

What planet are you on? This one is about as wishy washy as they come.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 10:07:12 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: Terry Mross
There's either an ECHO in here, or else...




40 posted on 02/11/2013 11:14:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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