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Tips are not optional, they are how waiters get paid in America
The Manchester Guardian ^ | February 1, 2013 | Chelsea Welch, former waitress

Posted on 02/02/2013 6:16:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

An Applebee's diner refused to leave a tip for religious reasons. The waitress who exposed it wonders if Jesus will pay her bills.

I was a waitress at Applebee's restaurant in Saint Louis. I was fired Wednesday for posting a picture on Reddit.com of a note a customer left on a bill. I posted it on the web as a light-hearted joke.

This didn't even happen at my table. The note was left for another server, who allowed me to take a picture of it at the end of the night.

Someone had scribbled on the receipt, "I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?"

I assumed the customer's signature was illegible, but I quickly started receiving messages containing Facebook profile links and websites, asking me to confirm the identity of the customer. I refused to confirm any of them, and all were incorrect.

I worked with the Reddit moderators to remove any personal information. I wanted to protect the identity of both my fellow server and the customer. I had no intention of starting a witch-hunt or hurting anyone.

Now I've been fired...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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Rightly so.
1 posted on 02/02/2013 6:16:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The feeling of “entitlement” takes many forms. All are bad.


2 posted on 02/02/2013 6:18:34 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who would Jesus fire?


3 posted on 02/02/2013 6:20:36 PM PST by GrootheWanderer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess so.

She’s right about the tips. Waiters are underpaid, and rely on tips to round out their salaries. Many of my children have worked in restaurants while growing up, as a way to earn extra money before they finished their educations. That persuaded me to be generous with tips when I eat out—which isn’t very often.

But she was stupid to go on the net with it. I don’t use Facebook Reddit or any of those other things, because although I think I’d be careful what I posted, you never can tell. People are wrecking their lives, and the lives of others, every day with this kind of nonsense.


4 posted on 02/02/2013 6:21:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i hardly eat out because of such ideas as these. not that i don’t tip, but the fact they believe they are entitled’to a tip,demand a tip, for whatever service is given. i tip appropriately. i don’t eat anywhere where the place sets a minimum mandatory tip.


5 posted on 02/02/2013 6:21:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t leave notes in public you don’t want viewed in public.

IMO the waitress can possibly sue.

The so called pastor is a creep IMO.


6 posted on 02/02/2013 6:22:48 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Cicero
I agree with her to an extent, that the customer was a POS cheapskate.

But never, I mean NEVER post someone else's personal information on social media.

That was stupid, and yes, a fireable offense.

7 posted on 02/02/2013 6:25:30 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: GrootheWanderer

Who would Jesus fire?


Probably all of us.


8 posted on 02/02/2013 6:26:08 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: Secret Agent Man

Someone is SERVING you and the average 15% isn’t more than a few bucks unless you eat out large.

I agree with you though. If you are on a tight budget or feel uncomfortable leaving tips then stick to fast food joints or eat home.


9 posted on 02/02/2013 6:27:26 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

You don’t feel she violated his privacy and held the guest up to ridicule? How is that being service oriented?


10 posted on 02/02/2013 6:27:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Manchester Guardian

Blast from the past. And how have the Brooklyn Dodgers been doing lately?

11 posted on 02/02/2013 6:28:48 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Cicero

I understand her frustration, but the woman should get over herself. Since I dine alone, “spending hour to befriend” someone is laughable.

I am sorry that her L&S Obama has let her down (yes she probably voted for him), but she knew what she was getting into when she filled out an application.


12 posted on 02/02/2013 6:29:23 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: boop

A POS cheapskate woman who claims to have been homeless not long ago and working full time while also running her so called church of hating waitresses out of some store front.

I would like to see this Pastor fired from their real job for lack of character. Let them live out of their store front church and 15 members. What a joke!


13 posted on 02/02/2013 6:29:52 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When I waitressed, I made $2.01 an hour. My check deducted health insurance and back then, profit sharing. My bi-weekly check was around $30 dollars. Rightly so? I was going to college, engineering school, raising 3 young daughters, paying all the bills, no child support from a dead beat dad. I depended on tips. I suppose if you’ve never been in that situation, you don’t know.

I wasn’t on welfare.


14 posted on 02/02/2013 6:30:10 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: GrootheWanderer
Who would Jesus fire?

Jesus was fired for us.

15 posted on 02/02/2013 6:30:35 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: A CA Guy
It's just too bad she didn't crop the name out.

But I'm with you - the "pastor" is an a-hole, and now she's an a-hole who got someone fired.

16 posted on 02/02/2013 6:30:54 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: warsaw44

How much would Jesus tip?


17 posted on 02/02/2013 6:31:29 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
An Applebee's diner refused to leave a tip for religious reasons

First of all - that is extremely inflammatory and wrong - the woman "pastor" was just showing her selfishness.

Second - waiters/waitresses typically get paid at such places somewhere between $2.50-3.50 per hour and do count on tips to make up the difference (after often having to split their tips with bussboys, bartenders, and fellow servers).

I personally despise automatic gratuities - it takes away a lot of the incentive to provide good service out of the equation. When I receive good service - I often tip more than what an automatic gratuity would bring. But I leave nothing extra when I see 18% added regardless of the service. Maybe this is wrong-minded, but what exactly is a "tip" suppose to be?

Good servers work their tails off, and deserve to take home a reasonable paycheck - poor servers need to find another line of work. If tips are mandatory, where it the incentive?

18 posted on 02/02/2013 6:31:36 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: boop

Agreed.

Also, I disagree with the statement that “tips are not optional.” They should be optional, unless the restaurant makes it clear before you order that there is a mandatory charge. I don’t like that, but they are entitled to do it.

If you’re working as a waiter or busboy, do your job, and somebody doesn’t tip, it’s enough to annoy anyone. But you just have to lump it. And occasionally you’ll come across someone who tips very generously, which makes up for the cheapskates.

As I said, I don’t eat out very often, because I can’t afford it. But when I do, I remember all my kids and their stories, and I usually give a 20% tip, especially if the bill is modest.


19 posted on 02/02/2013 6:31:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
If they were paid the regular minimum wage of $7.25 an hour plus received gratuities, people would be fighting over waiting jobs, just like they do over parking valet positions in places like Las Vegas.
20 posted on 02/02/2013 6:31:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was at a Red Robin a couple a weeks ago and the women (white lib mid 50’s) sitting next to me went off on some rant about her taxes. So I said something like “you can thank the democrats and obama for that” and she well lets just say she didn’t like that. After she left, the bartender came over to me and said that lady left a note. The note said “The guy sitting next to me is a racist A**hole!!!” I never once mentioned race, only that I did not like Obama. The crew of mixed races working that night all agreed with me plus they didn’t like obama either.


21 posted on 02/02/2013 6:32:14 PM PST by VastRWCon (There are no coincidences in politics)
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To: Cicero
Waiters are underpaid, and rely on tips to round out their salaries.

As a former waiter, I view the above comments with a differing perspective: I gladly worked for the minimum wage, in exchange for a percentage of the tips I received. Even after I shared my tips, as follows:

Bartender - 5%
Cocktail waitress (yes it was a long time ago) - 5%
Maitre D - 10%
Busboys - 10%
Kitchen Staff - One Six Pack

Even after that I could make a months rent in three nights.

22 posted on 02/02/2013 6:32:54 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"i don’t eat anywhere where the place sets a minimum mandatory tip."

Yes. I agree. For those dirtballs that say: "Well, the management should just PAY the staff more."

If they paid the staff more, guess what, your $20 steak will be $30. And the service would stink, because there's no incentive to be attentive.

"Here's ya steak, enjoy"

Forget about refills, check-backs, pre-busing, politeness, etc.

I tip well, because I WANT good service.

If I wanted shitty service I'd head for Burger King.

23 posted on 02/02/2013 6:33:12 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: Secret Agent Man
The problem is you are calling it a tip. It's not

There would be bo problem is it was simply stated "You pay the restaurant for your food and pay 18% commission to the person who serves it to you"

24 posted on 02/02/2013 6:35:56 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: TheBattman

In Taiwan the tips are included with most services with an option to leave more if desired. In fact, I was in a restaurant in Taipei when my drunk coworker tipped a young woman about $70 US for a meal of about $100, she almost fainted.


25 posted on 02/02/2013 6:36:04 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here in Australia they don’t tip. But when I’m home I tip in cash. It’s up to the waitperson to do with it what they will, as in sharing, etc. I don’t want the boss to see what they get. But the IRS concludes that 10% of your wages are tips and tax accordingly.


26 posted on 02/02/2013 6:36:27 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Non-story already posted (from another source, true), and with illustrations!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2984098/posts


27 posted on 02/02/2013 6:36:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She should NOT have been fired. What is wrong with bosses these days.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 6:37:16 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: A CA Guy

I’ll bet you that the original waiter was white.


29 posted on 02/02/2013 6:37:55 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Waitresses get a wage plus tips.
You did something stupid that involved the business you worked for and you paid the price.


30 posted on 02/02/2013 6:39:05 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Indy Pendance

During my first marriage there was a long period when my wife at that time didn’t work outside the home. My day job was a government position but didn’t come close to covering the bills, so I worked a 2nd job week nights (straight commission telemarketing) and a 3rd weekend job as a bartender ($6/hr + tips)at a busy Western-style steakhouse across the street from the busiest airport in that state. Even after Hurricane Katrina, I didn’t get welfare.


31 posted on 02/02/2013 6:39:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The cheapskates have their own “philosophical” reasons for not tipping, as illustrated on that other thread, and like to be seen as rebels and revolutionaries, while they’ll only ordinary contemptible skinflints, who rob workers relying by established and accepted custom on gratuities.


32 posted on 02/02/2013 6:41:12 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: boop

if you want a decent hot sandwich shop find a “Potbellies” around where you are. way better than fast food but decent prices, no tips, can get stuff to go.


33 posted on 02/02/2013 6:41:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Wait, what? What form of entitlement are you talking about? People who perform a service for you are entitled to be paid for that service. And waitresses, as if you could be one of only a few hundred people in the civilized world who is ignorant of this fact, do not get paid minimum wages for their service, because as a matter of law, their pay comes primarily from their tips.

You eat, you pay. You get it yourself, you pay only the restaurant. You get served, you pay the person who served you. The fact that the pay is often determined by an honor code that allows you to determine how much you feel the service is worth does not make it any more moral or ethical to skip a waitress’s tip than it would be to fail to pay a doctor or a car mechanic. In fact, if you ever get a 2-for-1 coupon or half off, or something like that, you should consider how much the meal WOULD HAVE cost had it not been discounted.


34 posted on 02/02/2013 6:41:34 PM PST by dangus
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To: SkyDancer

Back in the old days, we had to report tips to the gov. It was an unwritten rule, a dollar an hour, so 40 hours was $40. Now, it’s a percentage of your sales. The gov has just intruded too much into our lives. I said on a different thread, what’s so bad about being undocumented? I’d love the gov not knowing what I’m doing.


35 posted on 02/02/2013 6:41:42 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If they were paid the regular minimum wage of $7.25 an hour plus received gratuities, people would be fighting over waiting jobs, just like they do over parking valet positions in places like Las Vegas.

There should be NO minimum wage. Period. Paragraph. Full stop. The very idea of such an invention (from Frances Perkins, pictured below, and the evil administration of Franklin Diablo Roosevelt) is not only abhorrent but illogical. The minimum wage is anti-liberty and is nothing more than a form of slavery.

Sorry to bend the topic a tad but I'll take every opportunity I can to speak out against this ultra-commie concept.

Above: The vile Frances Perkins plotting more ways to shred the Constitution.

36 posted on 02/02/2013 6:41:58 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As far as I am concerned, it is customer service.

I won’t stiff someone on a tip unless they were actually outright rude. If that happens, I am not only not giving a tip, I am writing a letter.

And I will give a 10-15% tip depending on the level of “mediocre” service. I try and give them a break if the service isn’t great and remember that people have off days, and write it off to that.

But if I get great service, I will leave anywhere from a 20-50% tip, in addition to telling the waitstaff they gave great service, and the manager as well.

I go to a Chinese restaurant once every week or two, and those people know me by name. They don’t even offer me a menu, because they know what I want, and they get it right. They are observant, fill my drink without asking me, are courteous, check often to make sure everything is okay, and the food is one of a kind good for me.

My meal there comes out to $16 on average, and I always give them a $7 tip on that, because they work at it.

In my opinion, if you are waiting on tables, it is contingent on YOU to provide superlative, personal service, not on the customer to give you a tip. If you do your job the way it should be done, it pays off overall.

If you get stiffed by a customer, well...grow a pair, write it off, and next time they come in, you give them even better service.

You are defined by how well you do your job, not how well your customer tips you. I understand there are some places you just aren’t going to get great tips. That goes with your job, and you either get to somewhere that has more generous clientele, or learn to live with it.

You can be resentful. It is up to you. But if you are, you aren’t going to provide better service, and your tips sure as hell won’t increase. If you have resentment, suck it up and hide it under a mantle of utter professionalism. You are there to serve.


37 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:16 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You shouldn’t have to tip at all!! The restuarnt company should pay the min wage to the employees and NOT be the cheap skate! Look at the price of meals now, who’s making all that money, it sure isn’t the employee! You should NEVER be forced to pay anything!


38 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:27 PM PST by forbushalltheway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It was a female Pastor who enjoys getting 10% of the wages from her flock who thought it was wrong to give an 18% tip to a waitress for serving her LARGE table full of people.

The large table monopolizes the waitress from earning elsewhere. Then to use Jesus as an excuse to not pay for the service is IMO low class.

I think I'd rather give a tip to the waitress than 10% of my wages to this pastor, that is for sure.

I think the pastor got her license from Popeye's Chicken or something. No way that was an educated Pastor who wrote that dumb statement.

Never leave a note in PUBLIC you don't want in the public.

39 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:38 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

IMO the waitress can possibly sue.

On what grounds?
She posted a receipt that belonged to the business she worked for, on social media. I am sure that violates several company policies. She did something stupid and it cost her.


40 posted on 02/02/2013 6:43:03 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: re_nortex

I am with you 100%. Minimum wage is an abhorrent concept, and even worse is the concept of a “living wage”.


41 posted on 02/02/2013 6:44:17 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The next time I’m out with my group of “let’s go to lunch” friends and they say Apple bees I’ll make sure we go somewhere else. My little boycott for firing that waitress.


42 posted on 02/02/2013 6:45:28 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Slump Tester

Anyone else find it telling that the pastor is a New England protestant?


43 posted on 02/02/2013 6:45:45 PM PST by dangus
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To: Slump Tester

(And just to be clear that I’m not picking on Protestant Christians, “New England Protestant” excludes just about any denominations anyone who might read that post on Free Republic would belong to.)


44 posted on 02/02/2013 6:47:13 PM PST by dangus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The tip is part of the cost of eating out. It’s how the waitstaff get paid. But it is also optional, in that the customer can choose the amount to tip. OK, fine, we all know that.

The problem is that there are many possible reasons for a negative dining experience, and the waitstaff has control over only a few of them. The customer’s feedback mechanisms are (1) reducing the tip, (2) lodging a complaint with the management, and (3) not coming back.

#2 is inconvenient and requires a fortitude that a lot of people don’t have. #3 is easy but probably wouldn’t be attributable to a specific problem. #1 is easy and satisfying, but not necessarily fair. But it’s the easiest course of action so that’s what most people are going to do.


45 posted on 02/02/2013 6:47:57 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (#include <std.disclaimers>)
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To: dangus

Back in 1990, I waited on a party of 8. Then, their bill was well over $100, a huge sum at that time. They left me 4 quarters for a tip. The party of 2 in a booth near that table gave me $10 for all the grief they witnessed me undergo.


46 posted on 02/02/2013 6:48:06 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The preacher was an ass. Tips are optional, but are also payment for service. If you got service you owe a tip. I will under tip for lack of service, but if you don’t believe in tips, then don’t go to a sit down restaurant.


47 posted on 02/02/2013 6:48:17 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Ah, the good ole days when you could under-report tips and avoid supporting the welfare state with your hard earned (and still low) earnings. Out of that minimum wage you were paid, all the SoSecurity taxes and such were withdrawn, so you were paying your required minimums. But cash tips? What tips, Mr IRS Agent?

And you know what? You couldn’t buy a car on credit, couldn’t rent a decent apartment, not because you avoided taxes, but because your job was viewed with such contempt. And still is!


48 posted on 02/02/2013 6:48:37 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Indy Pendance

I can go both ways on that. I feel that it’s morally reprehensible for a restaurant owner to underpay the staff and have them depend on the largess of the customers to make up the difference in their salary. And then take part of that. I can understand that busboys and cook staff don’t get tips other than what the waitstaff offers but then cooks get paid more. Just saying.


49 posted on 02/02/2013 6:49:26 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Michael.SF.

You understand completely. I’ll bet you did a great job. If you do your job well and consistently, you make out.

Not only you, but your employer. People DO go to places for great service...granted, if the product isn’t great, service generally isn’t going to cover that flaw. But if things are anywhere near each other in product quality, service wins out.


50 posted on 02/02/2013 6:51:10 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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