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To: ecinkc
Would Hawaii behave this way were there not both political pressures and the threat of real legal penalties at play?

How about just political pressures (i.e. WH pressure)? The WH says don't send any reply. HI wrangles and says their law says they must reply. They go back and forth for 8 weeks. We do know for a fact that the WH has no intent of giving a full public explanation and viewing of the records. We just don't know why.

There is fairly clear evidence, so far as I can tell, that there was indeed some alteration that happened with the document. How much, I do not know, but I am not so quick as apparently you are to dismiss Zullo’s conclusion that the digital file now on our tax-payer funded White House web site never existed as a single paper document, but was a fabricated piecemeal composite produced in image editing software.

I have not read "Zullo" and probably don't need to. I read a lifetime supply of the Polarik nonsense in the summer of 08. I have image processing experience and a ton of common sense. I know exactly how to take a scanned document and turn it into layers and post process some layers and leave others. I suggest you ignore such rubbish.

Add to that the fact that if the only editing done was the removal of a single small stamp indicating that the document was a representation of an amended certificate, that would be enough to open the floodgate to a world of false information filed without any attestation or support of being legally verifiable.

I agree. That's not an "added" fact, that is the only relevant possible fact. I certainly cannot rule out any alteration of the scanned doc

Are you sure that the evidence of significant alterations is so scant that further investigation should be deemed unwarranted?

Not I am not sure there was alteration or not, I have no way of knowing. I know that further "investigation" will not be useful if it takes the form of past "investigation", things like Polarik's ignorant pontifications about digital processing.

f in the next year someone should produce incontrovertible and un-ignorable, smoking-gun evidence that Obama is guilty of multiple counts of identity fraud in service to his claim to the presidency, I here contend that such a victory may bear meaningful dividends toward pushing back against the evils of bad immigration policy and violations of the 2nd amendment

I don't mind your pursuing this in the various threads that it pops up in. I will continue to point out flaws when there are obvious flaws and I have the time to do so. If evidence of fraud arises then I will join the apology thread as needed. The post processing of a couple layers of a scanned doc is evidence of at least immaturity, maybe conspiracy or collusion with a coverup, but not ID fraud. It is far too easy to simply scan a doc and manipulate a couple of layers (sharpening, etc) while leaving others. Then export PDF. My theory is that this was done to perpetuate the birther movement. I have no proof other than the same evidence that points to potential alteration with removal of critical information. The evidence points equally either way.

OTOH the evidence of purely digital provenance is essentially nonexistent. There is also ample evidence that a 1961 paper artifact is in the book in HI. We do not know what is on that artifact because nobody trustworthy has seen it.

37 posted on 01/15/2013 2:41:29 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

You’re choosing to ignore what Onaka has already disclosed. The information contained in the White House image is NOT “identical to” the information in the HDOH record. The White House image is a forgery.

It wasn’t forged to change some information; it was changed to DELETE some information - specifically the information showing that the record itself is legally non-valid.

Onaka’s disclosures have already told us what the White House did and why.


41 posted on 01/15/2013 3:35:37 AM PST by butterdezillion
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