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To: Ditter
There are organized groups who've been attacking EliLilly ever since prozac hit the market. They popped up again when it looked like Mitch Daniels, the guy who beat them into the dirt, might run for President.

Guess all that did was stir their juices up for another go.

The link is this ~ one of these young folks is beginning to manifest the disturbance we call schizophrenia ~ which will frequently lead to a violent lifestyle in many ~ and the doc prescribes pills.

The doctor might not even recognize the leading signs of schizophrenia, and the doctor would have done well to withhold the pills and send the kid to a shrink, or, in a previous time, send the kid over to the jailhouse for a look-see pending formal medical evaluation.

So, the kid gets the pills, the schizophrenia progresses, and he ends up blowing up or shooting up somebody or something, or a whole lot of somebodies and somethings!

Schizophrenia is the problem. Failure of the medical establishment to demand legal process so ordinary doctors can SEND these guys to incarceration for observation is another problem. The pills are a problem only to the extent they delay treatment.

Mitch Daniels is not your problem anyway.

7 posted on 01/12/2013 7:28:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

It doesn’t need to rise to the level of schizophrenia, though. They could be free of brand name disorders yet somehow maladjusted. Teachers, parents, or whoever notice something or other, and eventually the inevitable catchall diagnoses and medication.

Then they snap. But the way they throw pills around these days they could merely be bad seeds. Or they could be worse off than recognized, as you suggest.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 7:45:00 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: muawiyah
Energy the problem? Too much sitting around watching TV or playing with the computer.....so give them a pill to slow 'em down...driving parent up the wall...give 'em a pill to quiet 'em down...remember when schizophrenia was the answer to any aberrant behavior?....that diagnosis kept places like Menninger's alive. Call me a cynic.....
16 posted on 01/12/2013 7:55:12 AM PST by yoe
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To: muawiyah
When I hear ads for drugs on TV I wonder how they ever sell any of them, not just anti depressants. They list the known side effect and they are like a dozen horrible diseases themselves. I have had a lot of adverse drug reactions so I must be convinced that I really need something before I will take it.
17 posted on 01/12/2013 8:03:50 AM PST by Ditter
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To: muawiyah
It's not just the mental problem.

See ENOUGH! (Guns, Active Shooters And Pharma) for a discussion of the problems of giving anti-depressants to young folks. Rage is a known side effect of giving Paxil to bipolar kids. It's a no-no to do so, but too often bipolar is misdiagnosed as depression.

38 posted on 01/12/2013 8:48:54 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: muawiyah

I think you’ve hit on a big part of the problem. The availability of these “magic pills” discourages doctors, therapists, and psychologists from taking the necessary steps to make a proper diagnosis. Instead, they can prescribe some magic pills, in a low dosage to start of course, and “see if that helps”. Most people will report some positive effects after a few weeks, because the magic pills are psychological uppers. However, if they report positive effects, lazy doctors can assume that depression was the correct diagnosis, and pat themselves on the back.

Also, the pills do have rare side effects that can provoke psychotic behavior, and I really don’t think that they take any precautions against that. Even if the side effects are very rare, when you prescribe these pills widely to the general public for minor maladies, those very rare events are going to happen more often.


45 posted on 01/12/2013 9:01:59 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: muawiyah

So, in your opinion, a shrink should be able to have someone locked up for not committing a crime? What could possibly go wrong? The framers gave us right to due process specifically to prevent these ideas from coming to fruition.


50 posted on 01/12/2013 9:09:08 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: muawiyah

I think that schizophrenics, once diagnosed should have some kind of legal oversight, like a probation officer that they must report to or will be in violation of the law. The patient overseer would do a brief evaluation and give the patient their shot (it’s only a once a month shot, not daily pills anymore.

I think that every time a psychologist or psychiatrist makes a diagnosis of serious mental instability, the analyst should become automatically responsible to refer the patient for oversight.


100 posted on 01/12/2013 5:12:54 PM PST by Eva
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