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To: ansel12
Why do you decry the ability of people to live moral lives without an obfusticating web of legislation? People lived moral lives long before parts of what is now the US were covered by the colonist's laws. Others who lived within that legislative penumbra ignored those same laws.

The vast majority of laws have nothing to do with morality, anyway, they only exist to exert control after the fact.

Cut down a tree in some places without a permit? Is that immoral if it is your property, and your tree? It is illegal in some places, though, no matter if the tree threatens to destroy your home.

Is it immoral to wire your own security light on the front of your barn? In many places it is illegal. You can be punished for doing something which is morally neutral, because there is a law!

Granted not all can, not all desire to live morally, and many will not live a moral life, even with legislation to that effect.

Fear of the law will restrain a few, but Fear of God or even just the natural repercussions of their actions will restrain more, if they are so inclined.

You continually confuse small 'l' libertarian with Libertine, and they two are not the same.

Moral does not equal Legal, either, otherwise we would not have legal decisions like Kelo or Roe.

34 posted on 12/03/2012 8:47:52 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

America can live without fulfilling the dreams of libertarians for “gay marriage” and late term abortion and polygamy.


37 posted on 12/03/2012 9:14:40 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Cut down a tree in some places without a permit? Is that immoral if it is your property, and your tree? It is illegal in some places, though, no matter if the tree threatens to destroy your home.

C.S. Lewis made mention of this in Screwtape Proposes A Toast.

Cheers!

52 posted on 12/04/2012 4:13:23 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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