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Obama Wants To Go Over The Fiscal Cliff
The Right Sphere ^ | 11-29-2012 | RB

Posted on 12/03/2012 4:35:55 PM PST by smoothsailing

November 29, 2012

Obama Wants To Go Over The Fiscal Cliff

RB

It’s pretty obvious by now that Obama actually wants to go over the so-called “Fiscal Cliff.” Occam’s Razor tells us that’s the only possible conclusion. Let’s run it down:

1. Even before the election, Obama said he would veto any legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff that didn’t include a tax hike on the “top 2%.” It used to be 1% but that changed over time for some odd reason. Probably because the number doesn’t really matter. It’s just a metaphor for “millionaires and billionaires” who, incidentally, aren’t the only ones who will see a tax rate hike on the 2%. It will include people who aren’t millionaires and billionaires and actually create most of the new jobs in this country. But again, that’s not the point here. Obama is just tapping into the population’s envy of the rich. At best the tax hikes will raise about 80 Billion dollars a year and the yearly deficit alone is over 1 Trillion dollars. Insisting on tax hikes that won’t even scratch the deficit isn’t an economic or fiscal argument. It’s demagoguery. Conversely, taking an additional 80 Billion out of the private sector will hurt the economy, so insisting on a measure that will hurt the economy and do nothing to address the fiscal situation leads to one conclusion: Obama doesn’t want a deal made.

2. If we go over the fiscal cliff – here’s exactly what that means, by the way – Obama gets exactly what he and his progressives have wanted all along. Higher taxes on everyone and more dependence on government as the economy slips once again into a recession. The fiscal cliff will create the kind of economic destruction that Obama and his ideological brethren have always thought was needed in order to usher in “real change” or the proverbial “fundamental transformation” of America. The game is to let the fiscal cliff happen, blame Republicans for it, and then use that as leverage to expand the welfare state to heights never imagined. It’s Cloward-Piven on steroids.

3. When Obama has been pressed to provide a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, he has referred to his last budget as the plan. This is the same budget that was defeated in the Senate 99-0. He knows this isn’t a plan. It’s already dead. Pretending this is his plan is proof that he has no plan and that he doesn’t actually want a deal. He wants the fiscal cliff to happen.

There is no other explanation for Obama’s actions on this matter. When you pare down what he’s saying, the only thing he has proposed is a tax hike that he knows Republicans won’t go for because the hikes will hurt the economy. He’s not negotiating in good faith.

I dare anyone to provide any evidence whatsoever that Obama is interested in reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff. And no, his words are not evidence. He’s a liar. Show me some action, any action, that indicates he is looking to cut a deal.

I’ll wait.


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1 posted on 12/03/2012 4:35:59 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Yeah, this plan is really going to work. No problem.


2 posted on 12/03/2012 4:51:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Of course he does.. want to disassemble America...
Thats what Cloward-Piven is all about.. i.e. “Rules for Radicals- Alinsky”..

WHats usually missing in this “discussion” is the “planned” social unrest.. i.e. riots..
The “Top Down, bottoms up, inside out” aspect of it all..
The Obama minions WANT to produce revolt.. so that they can come in to “crush it”..

And in crushing it produce some form of Marshall Law..
Not to be called Marshall Law but with the same result..
With “Show Trials”, “Kangaroo Courts” and maybe death squads..

It a well rehearsed form of Coup D-Etat.. carried out in many places.. even perfected as strategy and tactics..
Its planned a long time.. many have seen it coming... and been warning us for decades..

Its here, and happening NOW... Voting died Nov. 6th..
Rigor mortis is setting in on the republican party..
Be patient... “Weekend at Bernies” Republicans have already started..
Except “this” may not be as funny..


3 posted on 12/03/2012 4:51:55 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: smoothsailing
Bath House Barry the Liar.

Our Lying President - Debate lie on sequestration

4 posted on 12/03/2012 4:51:55 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: hosepipe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-bnzzM3xg


5 posted on 12/03/2012 5:03:42 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: smoothsailing

Going over the fiscal cliff is like yelling fire in a crowded theatre. The person who yells “fire!” — President Nobama Zero — could be trampled in the panic that ensues, and so could the Democrats.

They are playing with fire and there’s no way of knowing which will the fire will burn and who it will take out. In the end, I think the public will blame the Democrats for higher taxes — they know where the GOP stands on taxes, even if the media blames the GOP for going over the cliff.


6 posted on 12/03/2012 5:04:52 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: smoothsailing
He is firmly convinced that Cloward-Pliven will work. And he is determined to destroy this nation to prove it.

The only solution for the Red-States of America is to vote with their feet.

Buh-Bye, Barky!

You've got the unions, the community organizers, academia, the hungry takers...

We've got the producers and the builders.

Hey Barky...how does that hate taste? Like chicken...or like cardboard?

Take your vision forward...Cloward-Piven all the way!

Steak Card-Board...hmmm. Delicious.

But it tastes like paper...

7 posted on 12/03/2012 5:06:19 PM PST by RoosterRedux (He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats)
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To: smoothsailing

Obama’s M.O. from the beginning has been to go over every fiscal cliff that’s available.So this new one is no surprise.


8 posted on 12/03/2012 5:09:02 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: hosepipe

It’s MARTIAL law, MARTIAL....not MARSHALL.


9 posted on 12/03/2012 5:11:04 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: hosepipe

Surf the wave all the way to the bottom.

The fuel-laden airliner has just been flown into the skyscraper all over again. A series of events has been set into motion that would appear to be irreversible.

The principle of secession has never been declared illegal, or counter to the original meaning of the US Constitution. Actually, it is a toss-up whether the principle is that of secession, or of booting out the undesirable elements to clean up the rapidly spreading pool of corruption and decay.

Shouldn’t be too difficult with a few well-crafted sentences, and an accurate recounting of the articles of indictment, to come up with a brand-new “Redeclaration of Independence”. Our peaceable petitions are falling on deaf ears and remain unanswered.

Lock and load....

Molon Labe!


10 posted on 12/03/2012 5:12:48 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: smoothsailing

I have seen this suggested several times, but Obama and his cronies are notoriously bad at economics and any form of government other than organized crime type.

So the question becomes, who actually does benefit, the Dems or Republicans and conservatives, if we go over the fiscal cliff?

I am betting that the Republicans will come under pressure for a month or two, but then the pressure will shift to the Democrats, and become a lot more intense.

And remember, the fiscal cliff is just one economic disaster. There are a bunch more waiting to happen, and they could totally mess up the Democrat scheme.


11 posted on 12/03/2012 5:14:55 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: smoothsailing
I don't see any way to stop it from happening. That is the penalty for all those Republican voters that decided they could just not support Romney. Thanks assbutts. Your going down with the ship. Never thought that many Republicans were that stupid.
12 posted on 12/03/2012 5:16:00 PM PST by Logical me
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To: smoothsailing

What would be the REAL downside of “going over the cliff” ?

Nothing more than what we have already, I would assume.

Obama’s regulations have already stalled the economy, and more to come will kill it the rest of the way.

If we go “over the cliff” the economy will simply slow some more.... big deal it sux already... and Obama will own it.

Obama’s legacy will be that of Jimmy Carter, and the people that voted for him will suffer more, as their entitlements dry up.

The whole world will suffer as the U.S. saves itself.

DO IT


13 posted on 12/03/2012 5:22:33 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: smoothsailing

“Fiscal Cliff” is made up by the MSM including FOX and MSNBC & CNBC & CNN.

So we all go nuts... and watch the news


14 posted on 12/03/2012 5:24:21 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I am betting that the Republicans will come under pressure for a month or two, but then the pressure will shift to the Democrats, and become a lot more intense.

Upon what evidence do you place that wager? The press has Obama's back, and will cast all blame on the GOP. It is upon the Pubbies the pressure will increase, not the Dems. I'd take your bet in a second.

15 posted on 12/03/2012 5:24:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: mike_9958

Let the Cliff Happen—Its mostly Hype. They will kick it down to 2014 and borrow more money from China and Japan.


16 posted on 12/03/2012 5:33:34 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: mike_9958

“fiscal cliff” is a gimmicky talking point, it doesn’t really define anything.

I think it was Obama and the leftist media that started throwing the phrase around. It’s supposed to be scary, I guess, since we’re told we must avoid it.

Problem is, Obama wants it. It gives him and Democrats what they’ve dreamed of all along. Higher taxes, more job losses, a gutted national defense, and more wealth redistribution because of the resulting increase in unemployment, and they get to blame it all on the Republicans. All this increases Democrat power and control, or at least that’s the plan.


17 posted on 12/03/2012 5:47:00 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: supremedoctrine

Don’t seem to make much difference now..
You know spelling errors..


18 posted on 12/03/2012 5:56:25 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“They will kick it down to 2014 and borrow more money from China and Japan.”

They are going to do that anyway.... $800B over 10 years is a drop in the bucket


19 posted on 12/03/2012 6:01:32 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: hosepipe

CONGA!!! :)


20 posted on 12/03/2012 6:03:02 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

“Problem is, Obama wants it. It gives him and Democrats what they’ve dreamed of all along. Higher taxes, more job losses, a gutted national defense, and more wealth redistribution because of the resulting increase in unemployment, and they get to blame it all on the Republicans”

2 years is like forever ago... the republicans won’t get the blame for a sucky economy.... Obama will. (IMO)

Raising the tax rates strengthens Obama’s hand and lets him have whatever he wants, and basically breaks and demoralizes the conservatives and Tea Party once and for all.

We either fight this and call the bluff, or fold and close up shop. Let Obama deal with the country in recession for the next 4 years. Listen, it will suck anyway as all these regulations sap the soul and freedom out everything else we know and love.

Let Obama be responsible for tax hikes on the middle class because he isn’t willing to deal.... I dare ‘em


21 posted on 12/03/2012 6:10:17 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: supremedoctrine

It’s MARSHALL Dillon, MARSHALL not MARTIAL..... ;)


22 posted on 12/03/2012 6:28:36 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Logical me

You said it all. And the ship is definitelly going down.


23 posted on 12/03/2012 6:36:55 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: mike_9958

Six tax rates, ranging from 10% to 35%, have been in place since 2003, the Bush tax rates:

10%,
15%,
25%,
28%,
33%, and
35%.

Tax rates will revert automatically to the following pre-2003 levels unless new legislation is passed:

15%,
28%,
31%,
36%, and
39.6%

“Extending” the Bush tax rates is not the way to go, it’s just the way the Democrats have framed the argument. Nor is the way to go allowing the rates to revert.

Republicans should pass brand new rates:

8%,
12%,
20%,
25%, and
35%

Only the highest rate would remain the same as the current level. All other rates would be reduced below their current levels.

Let’s see how eager Obama and the Democrats really are to cry about “helping the middle class during an economic recovery” or demanding that the “rich pay their fair share”.


24 posted on 12/03/2012 6:42:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: SkyPilot

He knows who most of the public will blame.


25 posted on 12/03/2012 6:43:25 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: smoothsailing

LOL... I like that logic and it is probably easier to sell than a flat tax with a consumption tax.

But for conservatives to buy it you got do the entitlement reform or your pushing us further into debt.


26 posted on 12/03/2012 7:11:44 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: smoothsailing

Obamanation style Communism File.


27 posted on 12/03/2012 7:13:42 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: mike_9958
But for conservatives to buy it you got do the entitlement reform or your pushing us further into debt.

Hey, we were talking about taxes, don't go moving the goalposts on me! :)

28 posted on 12/03/2012 7:26:32 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Cyber Liberty

You forget that if the money is cut off, a large number of the 47% will not be focused on the Republicans, but on the Democrats, no matter what the MSM says. They want their money *now*, and don’t care how they get it.

Add to that many Democrats have no staying power at all, and will jump ship when put under pressure.

But if the Republicans hold fast, their core will not be angry with them.

It will be interesting to see, and neither victory nor defeat is guaranteed either way.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 5:43:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
You forget that if the money is cut off, a large number of the 47% will not be focused on the Republicans, but on the Democrats, no matter what the MSM says.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about that because there is no evidence whatsoever "focus" will "shift." Show my why the looters would shift focus away from the Republicans when all you're going to hear about in the media is how evil the Republicans are. I think you are underestimating the depth of the blame the 47% looters will place on the Republicans. They will naturally polarize the two sides into "Dems = Good" vs "Reps = Bad" and keep it that way, with the press supporting them all the way.

Also, the Republicans will not hold fast. There are always enough cowards that can be peeled away. As for the Dems lacking staying power, they've done a pretty good job of sticking together for the past two years. When was the last time we peeled Representatives or Senators from their side lately? I fail to see why that would stop when they've been so richly rewarded for it.

30 posted on 12/04/2012 6:05:14 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

It is so obvious that the goal is to destroy the GOP as an opposition force, either by co-optation or outright extralegal means. The GOP name has been turned into a curse word, all under the radar by Bill Maher, John Stewart, SNL, and other “not serious” very serious people. And that’s just among whites. The black media is functioning with regard to Republicans as der Sturmer did to Jews. It’s only the fact that most black and Hispanic media is completely invisible to whites that the incitements to riot and even to genocide are permitted to go on.

The poor dumb lambs! They do not understand what they are dealing with. They are still in a la la land of “proposals” and “negotiations”, when they are facing all out war, with their political and perhaps their actual liquidation as the goal.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 10:31:24 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

It is so obvious that the goal is to destroy the GOP as an opposition force, either by co-optation or outright extralegal means. The GOP name has been turned into a curse word, all under the radar by Bill Maher, John Stewart, SNL, and other “not serious” very serious people. And that’s just among whites. The black media is functioning with regard to Republicans as der Sturmer did to Jews. It’s only the fact that most black and Hispanic media is completely invisible to whites that the incitements to riot and even to genocide are permitted to go on.

The poor dumb lambs! They do not understand what they are dealing with. They are still in a la la land of “proposals” and “negotiations”, when they are facing all out war, with their political and perhaps their actual liquidation as the goal.


32 posted on 12/04/2012 10:31:24 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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