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To: DoughtyOne

“I have at times wished there could be an employee union without the negative connotations. Sadly, that’s never going to happen. It will always escalate over time to the point, you’d have just the same type of union activity you have now.”

I do agree with that. I’d like to see more guilds and less institutionalized unions. I support workers rights, but as you pointed out too many union bosses don’t even support their workers. Workers get sold out to mobsters, politicians, and even management. But the rot is at the top.

“Contrastingly, Capitalism exists through mutual respect and agreement.”

I disagree with this statement. At least I disagree that Capitalism works that way now.
Capitalism in these modern times (at least Capitalism on a large scale) seems to be as much about buying influence and loopholes and croynism as about honest investment and return. Again I think the rot is at the top.
Ethics and good faith have been abandoned by both groups.


17 posted on 12/02/2012 2:28:49 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: snarkybob
I have at times wished there could be an employee union without the negative connotations. Sadly, that’s never going to happen. It will always escalate over time to the point, you’d have just the same type of union activity you have now.

I do agree with that. I’d like to see more guilds and less institutionalized unions. I support workers rights, but as you pointed out too many union bosses don’t even support their workers. Workers get sold out to mobsters, politicians, and even management. But the rot is at the top.

I'm not sure that works out as planned.  I suspect these would morph over time to become problematic as well.  I am not prepared to trash the idea with the consideration that a working model might crop up that would undercut the unions at the knees though.

Contrastingly, Capitalism exists through mutual respect and agreement.

I disagree with this statement. At least I disagree that Capitalism works that way now.

Okay, then from your comments it seems you do support the concept if sound principles are adhered to.

I would liken this to us supporting Conservatism, but thinking the Republican leadership has abandoned it.  We don't toss out Conservatism.  We search for better leaders/administrators.

Capitalism in these modern times (at least Capitalism on a large scale) seems to be as much about buying influence and loopholes and croynism as about honest investment and return. Again I think the rot is at the top.
Ethics and good faith have been abandoned by both groups.


I'm not going to categorically disagree with this.  I still believe that with Capitalism you have a platform that is sound.  Parts of Capitalism still works quite well.  And if you think about it, with all the governmental and union attacks upon it, it proves to be a very resilient game plan.  That alone speaks very well of it.  Our job is to see that it is unencumbered.

With Socialism, there is no sound footing to build upon.  It's corrosive from top to bottom.

Our society will never be perfect.  We strive to get it there, and realize we are only human.  People push for the wrong things, and we push back.


Take care.

19 posted on 12/02/2012 3:30:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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