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To: nitzy
e basically describes a skilled trade union hall as an exclusive "club" that only accepts members that have certain training, qualifications and pay dues. When contractors need to hire skilled workers they have the choice of hiring non-union workers and keeping them on their books or they can choose to enter into a contract with the local union hall. He claims there is no arm twisting or coercion involved.

What he describes there is 'right to work'. In non right to work States, you must belong to the trade union to work in the specific field, you have no choice about it. A right to work state means you have a choice to join or not join a union. You are free to choose the path that is best for you. His description is not accurate for non-right to work states. In those states, licensing for a trade is dependent and through the union. You can't legally be an electrician, for example.

That is in essence, a corporate monopoly on employment- with the union playing the role of the evil 'corporation', pushing small, independent workers out of business.

Ask him what would happen if he was in a non-right to work state and the union took a turn he didn't like. He would have no choice to work independently outside of union membership.

Right to work means freedom for the employee. They can freely choose to join or not join a union.

If his paycheck is hindered by the freedom of others, that says a lot about the monopoly of the union. How different is that than Wal Mart pushing-out(sic) small, independent businesses?

5 posted on 11/29/2012 10:34:37 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Right to work means freedom for the employee. They can freely choose to join or not join a union.

I don't want to pay union taxes to what amounts to another layer of unresponsive government.
8 posted on 11/29/2012 10:39:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mnehring
I don't think your description is accurate.

There were 2 of us in the discussion criticizing unions. I was taking the tact that they were immoral. The other guy was actually a non-union electrician who was saying that union workers don't do a good job.

They both work in Ohio which is not a right to work state.

9 posted on 11/29/2012 10:42:01 AM PST by nitzy (A just law will neither punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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