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To: GunRunner
I never said they were entitled. I said if they provided a service, they deserve to be compensated. You are so busy formulating your next insulting analogy to spend time reading what I am saying.

I am not talking about 5 minutes here. I know people who will tie up a sellsperson for up to an hour getting the information they needed to make a purchase then walk off and buy it online from a place that would not provide that service.

I personally make a point to ask a sellsperson if they are commissioned. If they are, and they made the case for the sale on the product, I buy from them even if I could have walked away and got it online cheaper.

I may have spent a little more money, but I can lay my head on my pillow at night knowing I did not take advantage of another person.

Sound like Occupy Wall Street to you? And to answer your question: I am in the computer industry, mainly software development but also hardware development. And you sound like someone who justifies pirating music and software with a lame argument that it only costs a few cents to press the CD anyway.

23 posted on 11/19/2012 11:39:26 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan
Salesmanship is not a "service". The Congressman doesn't pay the lobbyist who invites him to a cocktail reception, and you don't charge prospects who come to vendor events just because you happened to offer them advice on how and what to purchase.

Your point would have been valid if it were simply being courteous of a sales professional's time and thinking about whether or not you're taking away business from him, but you and the other guy went overboard by calling it "theft of service", or comparing it to software piracy. It's not theft at all.

Is it wrong to go to five car dealerships and test drive their top of line cars when you have no intention of buying? It's certainly not a very nice thing to do, but along with tying "up a sellsperson for up to an hour" with no intention of buying, these are extreme examples. It sounds like you need to get some new friends; I certainly don't know anyone who would do such a thing. But I don't call them thieves or insinuate that "you are stealing from that store as if you pocketed something and walked out." That's insane, and simply incorrect.

I buy from brick and mortar stores on big purchases because the value proposition is better. The online price might be cheaper, but shipping costs usually equal out, and I prefer the convenience, return policy, and warranties at the physical retailers. However, I don't think it gives me any moral or ethical high ground.

To people like you, what really goes on in the sales process might be a lot like seeing sausage made.

I racked up $700 in expenses in one night during a trade show taking a prospect and her assistants to drinks, dinner, and a show. I had clearance to offer her a better price against a competitor who offered a parallel service. I found out later that she was shopping for a better offer simply to take back to my competitor as leverage to get them to lower their cost too. She had no intention of going with my company from the get go. Was she "stealing" from me, or guilty of "theft of service" because I advised her on the different tools and bought them a boatload of hospitality that night? No, of course not. It's all part of the game.

24 posted on 11/20/2012 9:36:24 AM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: 5thGenTexan
The bottom line is that brick and mortar stores are fully aware of the online price points that they're competing against. It's their job to offer a superior customer experience through salespeople, warranty and installation options, return policy, and convenience than what the customer will experience with buying something online.

If the brick and mortar stores expend their sales resources with time and energy, and they still fail to convert the sale, it is their fault. The customer is guilty of nothing other than looking out for their own interests. Is it mean and inconsiderate? Perhaps, but retail is a cutthroat business, and it's about numbers, not feelings.

26 posted on 11/20/2012 9:44:18 AM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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