Skip to comments.Is the Republican Party Dead or Dying? Part I
Posted on 11/10/2012 11:26:10 AM PST by DanMiller
Should we put it on life support and hope that it survives or attempt to displace it gradually with something better?
Yesterday, I received a gracious e-mail from the Obama-Biden campaign thanking me personally for all that I had done:
I hope you saw Jim's note with the video of President Obama thanking supporters and staff. I wanted to single you out especially because you've gone above and beyond in your support of the President. (Emphasis added.)
I only wish I could have done even more to support his defeat; after all that he had done, it was past time for him to go. Now we are stuck with him for another four years.
On the day after the election, I tried to suggest here some of the things that went wrong and got him reelected. There were many of them, and now we have to decide how to get back in the game.
According to Jonah Goldberg's e-mail for yesterday,
one thing that's bothering me a lot about GOP Recriminationpalooza is the fact that almost all of us are talking as if the worst news to come out of this election is that the GOP is in disarray.The Republican Party may or may not get its game together and may or may not get fixed; the party may already be more "fixed" than it should be.
Look, obviously I want the Republican party to get its act together. But if you were to lay out a newspaper that reflected the important news coming out of Tuesday, the headline would be something on the order of "America Screwed: Obama Reelected." Or maybe: "Obama Wins; Experts Take Second Look at Mayan Prophecies." The story about the Republican party's problems would be below the fold, at best. And probably on page A2.
It is axiomatic: America's problems are more important than the Republican party's problems. The hitch is that the GOP's problems will only hasten the country's problems if they don't get fixed.
These seem to be the three broadly stated possibilities:
♦ Give up. Although that might result in a pleasant letter, maybe even from President Obama himself, it does not appeal. If we take that course we will have committed the
impossible deviant act of screwing ourselves.
♦ Do more of the same things, just do them
smarter better. That's a bit more like it, but it seems that things may have gone too far for it to work.
♦ Do something different. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate for President, said during a post-election interview,
I hope that people will see that we dont have to sit by the sidelines and watch as the two major parties limit their choices to slightly different flavors of the status quo. It is, in fact, possible to join the fray, stand up for principles, and offer a real alternative. Of course, now that we appear to have reelected the status quo, both in the White House and in the Congress, I hope those same people will see that there is a very real need for the process to welcome, rather than exclude, new and different ideas.
That is the essential thrust of this article.
We are screwed
The United States -- the States as well as the people in them -- are in a deepening state of dependence on the Federal Government; although many think that's great, most conservatives disagree. Should dependence persist it is likely to increase and the numbers of voters who think it's good are likely to increase as more get caught up in the dependence web. More will likely get caught up in that web as the economy continues its decline.
Isn't this special!
Link to video
We have also become a demoralized and deviant nation and it has not happened over night. Walter Williams recently wrote about Our Deviant Society. Here's one aspect of it
[One] measure of social deviancy is reflected by the excuses and apologies that are made for failures and how we make mascots out of social misfits, such as criminals and bums. The intellectual elite tell us that its poverty or racism that produces criminals, as opposed to a moral defect. We call bums homeless people. That suggests a moral equivalency between people who have lost their homes in a fire or natural disaster and people who choose to be social parasites; therefore, neither group is to be blamed for its respective condition. People who are very productive members of our society, such as the rich, are often held up to ridicule and scorn.
Think back to former President Bill Clintons affair with Monica Lewinsky and the nations response that it was just about sex. Therefore, it was no big thing for the president and his men to become involved in witness tampering, perjury, obstruction of justice and a White House-organized attack on Kenneth Starr, an officer of the court. Most Americans thought removal from office was too harsh for Clintons lawlessness.
That kind of lawlessness helped establish a precedent for lawless acts by President Barack Obama. His most recent was an executive order that suspended legal liability for young people who are brought to our country illegally by their parents. He also repealed the legal requirement that welfare recipients must work, by simply redefining work to include other things, such as going to classes on weight control. Then there are waivers from Obamacare for favored allies waivers that offend the principle of equality before the law.
Whether the presidents actions were good or bad ideas or not is irrelevant. Whats relevant is whether we want to establish a precedent whereby a president, who has no constitutional authority to repeal parts of congressional legislation, can grant special favors and rule by presidential decree like Third World tyrants.
I dont hold President Obama completely responsible for his unconstitutional actions. Its the American people who are to blame, for it is we who have lost our morality and our love, knowledge and respect for our Constitution, laying the foundation for Washington tyranny. It is all part and parcel of defining deviancy down, which is the term former U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan coined in 1993 to describe how weve switched from moral absolutes to situational morality and from strict constitutional interpretation to the Constitutions being a living document. (Emphasis added.)
Isn't our modern "hookup culture" really a grand way to empower women! Here's a brief excerpt:
Heres feminist Hanna Rosin writing in the Atlantic:The hookup culture that has largely replaced dating on college campuses has been viewed, in many quarters, as socially corrosive and ultimately toxic to women, who seemingly have little choice but to participate. Actually, it is an engine of female progressone being harnessed and driven by women themselves.
[...]To put it crudely, feminist progress right now largely depends on the existence of the hookup culture. And to a surprising degree, it is womennot menwho are perpetuating the culture, especially in school, cannily manipulating it to make space for their success, always keeping their own ends in mind. For college girls these days, an overly serious suitor fills the same role an accidental pregnancy did in the 19th century: a danger to be avoided at all costs, lest it get in the way of a promising future.
Social approbation of deviancy has helped to further -- and excuse -- dependence as well. That's also been coming for a long time. Jonah Goldberg also wrote yesterday,
Exactly 100 years before Barack Obama's re-election victory, Woodrow Wilson was elected president for the first time. It was Wilson's belief that the old American understanding of government needed to be Europeanized. The key to this transformation was convincing Americans that we all must "marry our interests to the state."These factors are closely aligned with our slide into the sewer of dependence.
The chief obstacle for this mission is the family. The family, rightly understood, is an autonomous source of meaning in our lives and the chief place where we sacrifice for, and cooperate with, others. It is also the foundation for local communities and social engagement. As social scientist Charles Murray likes to say, unmarried men rarely volunteer to coach kids' soccer teams.
Progressivism always looked at the family with skepticism and occasionally hostility. Reformer Charlotte Perkins Gilman hoped state-backed liberation of children would destroy "the unchecked tyranny ... of the private home." Wilson believed the point of education was to make children as unlike their parents as possible. Hillary Clinton, who calls herself a modern progressive and not a liberal, once said we must move beyond the notion there is "any such thing as someone else's child."
. . . .
Marriage, particularly among the working class, has gone out of style. In 1960, 72 percent of adults were married. Today, barely half are. The numbers for blacks are far more stark. The well-off still get married though, which is a big reason why they're well-off. "It is the privileged Americans who are marrying, and marrying helps them stay privileged," Andrew Cherlin, a sociologist at Johns Hopkins University, told the New York Times.
Religion, too, is waning dramatically in America. Gallup finds regular church attendance down to 43 percent of Americans. Other researchers think it might be less than half that. (Emphasis added.)
The Republican Party
The Republican and Democrat parties have reigned supreme for a long time and it has become very difficult to get elected and reelected without the support of one of the two parties. Although we often see solidarity within the Democrat party, it has of late become conspicuous by its decline in the Republican party. Some say stick to values and pick better candidates. Some say kick the social conservatives out of the Republican party (not the author of the linked article), get rid of the other "right wing extremists" and strive for ethnic diversity by attracting more Hispanics and others.
To put it succinctly, the Republican Party is too old, too white, too male and too extremist. Mitt Romneys 1950s persona was a joke to the younger and more diverse American voters. The Republican Party is in dire straits.
In April of last year, I wrote an article entitled Governments Rot when their Citizens let them.
Britains culture has become no less multiculturally devalued than that of the United States. Venezuela, Cuba, and many others never, at least in recent memory, enjoyed cultures conducive to freedom and democracy. Ditto many countries in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, plus some of the countries they colonized. Mexico? Hardly a role model for the United States; I didnt learn much about Mexican history or culture half a century ago in school, and I doubt that many young people in Mexico learn much today about the history or culture of the United States. Few are likely to develop cultural attitudes in contemporary Mexico compatible with life in the United States.
There are several failed states whose discouraged citizens are coming to the United States -- some for freedom, some for jobs, some to mooch and some to make the United States increasingly resemble their countries of origin. However, due to proximity we seem to receive more from Mexico than elsewhere and I very much doubt that the majority of them, generally uneducated, with no skills to sell beyond stoop labor and unable to speak or even to understand English, have significant knowledge of our history or even what the phrases "Constitutional Government" and "Rule of Law, not Rule of Men" mean. Never having lived where such notions are respected and understood, it's difficult to appreciate them until a long time after transplantation. It's good that some of them are socially conservative, but more than that is needed: respect for the supremacy of our Constitution and our laws. That seems quite uncommon, particularly among "differently documented" aliens of all stripes. It takes more than a brief and unlawful stay for it to develop. Even a few years of lawful stay under properly enacted amnesty is probably inadequate. While an Hispanic outreach might enlarge Republican rolls, I fear that attracting them would require giving up on much that conservatives hold dear.
Would pandering for the Hispanic vote help?
If Republicans are losing elections because of the way Hispanics vote, the solution is not to create through legislation a significantly larger Hispanic vote. Suppose the last amnesty hadnt occurred? Republicans wouldnt be wringing their hands now about the difficulties of winning elections given the size of the Hispanic vote.
A second amnesty would, before long, end Republican chances of winning elections as a conservative party, and minimize the number of elections Republicans win at all.
Even if pandering to Hispanics and others might help the Republican Party to achieve what it seems to consider its most important goal of all, keeping Republican incumbents in office for as long as possible, it's not worth it. The Democrat Party, of course, shares that supreme goal but for Democrats. The longer an incumbent hangs on to office -- no matter how corrupt, incompetent or demented -- the greater seniority he has. Power in the Congress is a function of seniority: committee chairmanships, seats on important committees and ability to deliver pork to constituents back home to get reelected again. The quasi-permanence of incumbents is a bad thing. Not only do people become increasingly powerful as they become stale in office, they become increasingly detached from the real world outside the Washington Beltway. Short trips back home to raise funds, hold "Town Hall" meetings and generally to campaign are not enough to understand the problems there. Going to motion pictures and reading about the golden days of the Old West may be enjoyable, but fail to provide the insights that come from having lived there to experience the good and the bad. Living in the greater Washington Metropolitan Area and working in Washington are quite different from living and working elsewhere. I didn't realize that during my long and often pleasant life there. I had to leave, as I did in 1996, for that realization to come.
More is coming in Part II about what we might be able to do.
The GOP has continued toe exporting American jobs thing far beyond where it should have stopped.
America need jobs.
Stop exporting jobs, bring back jobs, and restrict imports.
(sorry for silly typos, will increase proof-reading)
It is to me.
It’s dead, Jim. And you can throw fair elections and a working two-party system in the grave on top of it. We have a de-facto dictatorship complete with a Party-run media and propaganda filled schools. Never thought I’d live to see the day.
Consider this question then: when was the last time the Republican party worked towards one of its stated party-planks?
I would say that such little works is indicative of a dead spirit (contrast GOP supporters with the libertarians or Ron Paul supporters) there is so little spirit in the GOP that it may as well be dead.
From the Libertarian view.
I agree with some of what Ron Paul and Gary Johnson say, but not all.
Ding dong, the GOP is dead
November 7, 2012
By: Christopher Jorgensen
How did that anyone but Obama policy work out Republicans?
It has to leave a pretty rotten taste in the mouth this morning considering how the president could have such staggeringly bad employment numbers, a floundering economy, numerous failures the likes of Benghazi and fast and furious and still manage to trounce your candidate. Obama has been and will continue to be a bad president, but Romney would have been just as bad and the fact that the GOP were not smart enough to see it shows just how irrelevant they have become.
It is time for something new and it needs to happen now. This country already has a big-government party and the Democrats clearly have a hold on that. I believe it has more to do with an apparent theme of celebrity presidency and I am not sure how strong the Democrats will be without Obama to run for president in 2016 but clearly the electorate is more interested in social issues than fiscal ones and right now they are on the right side of history with some of these.
The Establishment GOP is Dead and that is a Good Thing
Author: Scott Gulbransen
Published: November 07, 2012 at 6:26 am
Last nights gift of a second term for Barack Obama was a given. How can any of my fellow Conservatives be surprised?
For the past 20 years, weve been spoon-fed a load of bull from a set of Neconservative henchmen bent on only one thing: perpetuating a ruling elite far from the Founders vision of what America is and should be.
The fact that Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination in the first place made this result inevitable. A vulnerable, weak and leadership-lacking sitting President overseeing a stagnant economy sailed right back to the White House because the Republicans have no ideas. They have no vision for future America and they’re quickly shrinking their own base by missing the changing face of the country.
After the result became evident last night, despite the incessant ramblings of Karl Rove on Fox News who failed to grasp reality, misguided Conservatives, still bought into the load of bunk the establishment GOP is selling. They quickly turned their anger, sadness and disappointment at the media and the stupid voter. I get the visceral reaction but the anger is misplaced and doesnt help the cause moving forward.
There is no doubt the mainstream media on the left and right openly campaigned for their candidate and also failed to cover key questions the American voter should have had answered. The media is truly dead; the veil of objectivism has been lifted. Ninety-percent of the media (that skews left or far-left) was complicit in covering up and hiding President Obamas shortcomings. The only shortcomings they didnt try and hide were those they simply couldnt. Otherwise, they were an extension of the Obama campaign.
Even in the midst of victory last night, MSNBC (which a recent survey branded as the most biased of all the television networks) blowhard Chris Matthews actually thanked God for Hurricane Sandy. His hypothesis: it helped Obama win and derailed any momentum Romney may have had. What a sick, sick human being. ...
The GOP is done unless they make like dems and offer freebies. After the newly minted illegals become citizens, I suggested they should also up it by offering a free car or maybe a 50 inch TV and all the pot you want.
The GOP is bruised and battered, but not dead.
Sorry but the thread title is trite in my opinion. Somebody
always suggests that the losing party is on the ropes. And,
somebody else (in this case me) points out the the excesses
of the winning side will ensure the survival of the defeated
if nothing else. Otherwise there are some compeling points
in the article.
It is dead if it continues to allow the dems to cheat their way to victory.
It hasn’t been that long ago that the Dem part was being talked about as a “Permanent Minority” and how an extreme party with Pelosi as the face of it would never get the House back etc etc. Of course, they got the house back (though admittedly lost it again) and now have a big Senate advantage and the most liberal President ever elected.
But a lot of what happens depends on history.
I think it is SO basic we all want to discount it, but Bush won in 2004 in part because of the trailing effect of Sept 11th.
Obama won in 2012 in part because of the trailing effect of the financial meltdown. If Katrina and the meltdown had never happened, Obama might very well have lost. So who knows what the next 4 years will hold.
Thanks, you summed it up.
We continue to nation build the world and throw American citizens out of work.
Conservative Party. Charter created to impose TERM LIMITS on its candidates AND STICK TO IT !
The name “Republican” sounds stuffy, “old”, “white”, and, frankly tainted from years of abuse. Even “Publicans” in the Bible are in disrepute. I’m DONE voting for any more “moderates” in the Republican Party that the GOP elites manipulate into that position. I’m tired of Rove and the rest of ‘em. Boehner and McConnell are just more of the same.
Get independent people like Herman Cain involved in starting the new party. It is time! - We’ve also got to quit letting the media scare us until we mess our britches!
Was the RAT party over once Ronaldus Magnus was elected?
Not really. Democrats HATE begin called democrats. The new name - democratics. I use it whenever I can. Makes 'em sound stoopid. Works every time.
Yeah. I always refer to it as the “Democrat” Party. Ha Ha! They LOVE to hear themselves say “Democratic” Party, like that makes them more . . democratic. Ha!
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