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American Thinker ^ | 1-22-2012 | C. Edmund Wright

Posted on 11/07/2012 10:34:51 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright

...what the voters are craving in the debates and on the stump is someone who can look liberals squarely in the eye and tell them why we are right and they are wrong. The American conservative base has had to put up with being called stupid, racist, greedy and unfair for decades by not only the Democrats but the vast majority of the media. The pent up frustration of these decades is magnified by the fact that George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush and John McCain would not or perhaps could not confront this. In fact, rare is the Republican candidate at any level who refuses to put up with this and fights back. When they do, they become sensations.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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KEYWORDS: mitt; newt; selfpromotion; southcarolina
Read and ponder: Newt starts out way behind because people panic over his nomination inside the belt. But as in the primaries, he keeps persuading and persuading and persuading - and by the debates, and election day, liberalism has been logically deconstructed time and again. I wonder....
1 posted on 11/07/2012 10:34:55 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright
We're a little late waking up to the movement which made last night possible!

In America, beginning in the late 1800's, under the name of "liberals," now known as "progressives," that movement began its now decades-long effort to remove the principles and ideas underlying our Constitution's protections from the nation's textbooks and public discourse.

On another thread today, the question was aked, "What do we need to do differently?" Good question!

Constitutional illiteracy--that is the primary reason we are continuing on the road to tyranny under deficit, debt, and government control! The secondary reason is the GOP's failure to use its billion-dollar campaign to focus like a laser on educating voters!

During the primary season, one of my FR posts stated the following in response to a Jonah Goldberg comment about Romney:

Sorry, Jonah, but this is not as simple as "not speaking the language (of conservatism) naturally." When a person is steeped in the ideas of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Washington, it just "naturally" slips through in the ideas they convey. Remember Reagan?

Do Republicans seriously want to conserve America's constitutional principles? Or, are they just objecting to Democrats? Do they have a passion for liberty? Is this just about changing the Party in power, or is it about preserving freedom?

If their concern is for convincing enough voters to reject the idea of "a government big enough to give you everyting you want" and turn to advocacy for "a government small enough to allow you freedom to keep most of what you earn," then they'd better get busy seeing that someone is nominated who has been "marinated" (to use a word coined by Ingraham last night on "The Factor") in the Founders' ideas (isn't that what conservatives purport to "conserve"?).

So far (February 2012), Mitt Romney, though a good man, demonstrates no such "immersion." He has been "successful" in benefiting from those ideas, and he recites familiar words and phrases from patriotic speeches and songs, but that is different from understanding and being able to call up and articulate the philosophy which made such success possible.

Ronald Reagan's life and letters reveal that he had "immersed" himself in those ideas for years before he agreed to run for President, and that is why he could set "issues" in light of constitutional "principle." and explain his advocacy or rejection of solutions in by that light.

The other three candidates in the Primary--Paul, Santorum, Gingrich--couch their answers to questions in a manner which indicates personal pursuit and understanding of the Constitution's protections, each in his own way.

Of the two so-called "frontrunners," however, the lifetime history scholar, teacher, legislator, and participant in what was called "the Reagan revolution," appears to be the one most likely to be able to successfully articulate and distinguish those ideas to voters, if given the chance to compete with the "counterfeit ideas" of tyranny cloaked in righteous benevolence by Obama.

Is "politics as usual" to win the day, or might we not bring Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, and others who embrace founding principles together to help to create a "passion" for liberty among citizens sufficient to defeat the counterfeit ideas which are leading the Republic to ruin?

The following is excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," p. 181:

"It was John Adams who said: "The foundation of every government is some principle or passion in the minds of the people." Clearly, the Founders' passion was liberty, and in order to secure that liberty, they sought out and incor­porated into the United States Constitution those ideas and principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence.

"The French historian, Guizot, once asked James Russell Lowell, "How long will the American republic endure?" Lowell replied: "As long as the IDEAS of the men who founded it continue dominant."

"Herein lies the answer to the question, "Will the Experiment Succeed?"

"It can and will succeed IF the motivating "principle or passion in the minds of the people" is LIBERTY, and if that passion causes them to exert the determination and will to complete the needed restoration of the IDEAS upon which the great American experiment was based." ---(End of excerpted material)

My call to the GOP and all lovers of liberty is the same as then! To rediscover and recover liberty from the hands of those who are turning America into just another failing nation dominated by a government-over-people ideology, a determined and massive education effort should begin November 7, 2012, focused on the teaching of the fundamental principles essential to the survival of individual liberty for a people.

2 posted on 11/07/2012 10:37:51 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Face it Ed. The American electorate is stupid, brainwashed, complacent and uninformed.

America voted for the American Idol.

Obama sings better than Romney. That apparently was the deciding factor.

It certainly wasn’t decided on issues.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 10:39:45 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; All

1000%....we don’t even need a candidate- we need the pu$$y’s in charge of the GOP to start doing this tomorrow...fact is if someone calls you a dumba$$ every day and you do nothing to counteract it or push back against it, people will eventually come to believe you are a dumba$$- that’s where the entire GOP is today because of their cowardice to fight against the rats...


4 posted on 11/07/2012 10:39:56 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: P-Marlowe

No. If you want to use an American Idol analogy, Mitt sang much better than Obama but Barry was much cooler and had a prettier face and better moves so he moves ahead as the less sexy guy gets cut.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 10:43:30 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: P-Marlowe

the GOP is equally as stupid- they were unprepared and unwilling to fight obama or the media despite their experience in 2008 and over the past four years...

if you are unwilling to inform the electorate and let the other side dictate the narrative with lies you deserve what you get...


6 posted on 11/07/2012 10:44:50 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: P-Marlowe

Well PeePee, that is my point...we have allowed them to become stupid, brainwashed, complacent and uninformed because we STOPPED informing them for eight long years under Bush and Rove’s guidance - and that continued with the McCain campaign and also the Romney campaign. In 2010, we informed, and we won. Newt would have run a campaign of informing. And he is brilliant at it, for all of his other faults (and yes, there are many...yada yada...)

And FTR, there’s no one named Ed here. Chuck, if you must go informal.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 10:45:36 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: God luvs America

Well, that was quite my points...yes....


8 posted on 11/07/2012 10:46:29 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: C. Edmund Wright; xzins; wmfights
Actually, Chuck, the brainwashing has been going on since the 1960's. The public schools turn out liberal drones year in and year out. I myself was brainwashed into being a socialist in my late teens. I was a Goldwater republican at age 12 and a McGovern democrat at age 21.

Newt could not have "educated" the electorate because the electorate would not listen to him. The electorate has been convinced that conservatism is racist and sexist and pure evil.

No, I am convinced at this point that the only way the US Electorate will be convinced of their folly is if the entire structure of American society collapses under the weight of liberal idiocy. Until then no conservative or Republican can get elected to a national office. We have reached that point.

Romney was a liberal, but the mere fact that he was a Republican was enough to scare the living daylights out of the liberal drones and uninformed masses. Newt would have spoken the truth, but the masses would not have heard it.

I have squandered my resistance
For a pocket full of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest

Paul Simon

9 posted on 11/07/2012 11:04:49 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

You’re onto something I’ve been pointing out for years. Marxists knew long ago that in order to realize their vision (change the culture) they needed to have the power to shape young minds. Public schooling and the media.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 11:10:27 AM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: P-Marlowe

Not sure where you are going with this. We agree on the state of the electorate. We agree on what got them there. I was pointing out what our candidates have done to reinforce this, what others have done to fight it, and that “what if” we had battled them this time.

BTW, we WON these battles in 1980, 1984, held that momentum in 88, even though we later found out our own candidate didn’t believe them - but we won these arguments in 94 (yes, we threw them away, but we had won them) and then we won them again in 2010. We can win these fights, but we must understand the fight we’re in first.

Newt did. Again, “what if” is the tenor of this post, not slam dunk...


11 posted on 11/07/2012 11:12:39 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: P-Marlowe

Not sure where you are going with this. We agree on the state of the electorate. We agree on what got them there. I was pointing out what our candidates have done to reinforce this, what others have done to fight it, and that “what if” we had battled them this time.

BTW, we WON these battles in 1980, 1984, held that momentum in 88, even though we later found out our own candidate didn’t believe them - but we won these arguments in 94 (yes, we threw them away, but we had won them) and then we won them again in 2010. We can win these fights, but we must understand the fight we’re in first.

Newt did. Again, “what if” is the tenor of this post, not slam dunk...


12 posted on 11/07/2012 11:12:44 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: loveliberty2

Talked to a lot of friends today in families that are divided, politically. The younger crowd’s number one issue, terrified that Romney would stop abortion. It seems the second greatest issue was Romney’s wealth and Bain. Actually, we were warned by a brilliant Republican that Bain and his wealth would be a problem, no one listened, he was declared the only one who could beat Obama..........


13 posted on 11/07/2012 11:14:48 AM PST by Toespi
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well written and reasoned, thanks for refreshing our memories.

What seems incomprehensible to me is, why can so few (Newt, Rush, and Mark Levin being notable exceptions) articulate the tragedy of liberalism, and it’s historic failure to improve the human condition?

It’s not hard, in fact we’ve had some pretty good conservative spokespersons do it, but in books, or radio talk shows or TV guess appearances - not on the campaign trail. Not since Reagan to my recollection. Why?

I believe Romney is a good and honorable man, and he cast a big vision for ideas that could make this country great again - but they were not rooted in the soil of conservatism. Rather, they were carefully crafted marketing messages aimed at bridging gaps and appealing to segments of voters. That didn’t work. And if we want to take the niche marketing approach, the winning approach is simple: offer more free stuff.

You’re right, whether you call it the “roar” or the elephant in the room or whatever metaphor one likes. The conservative message is not getting across, because our candidates are not presenting it.

Writing this reply was my most constructive vent after the dismal election, so thanks for that!


14 posted on 11/07/2012 11:15:04 AM PST by bigbob
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m sick to death of listening to this.

We have had those candidates handed to us on a silver platter twice now, but WE rejected them.

in 2008, it was Fred Thompson and this last time it was Newt Gingrich.

Both of those men, especially Fred, qualify as classic statesmen who are students of the founding of the USA.

But for some reason we accuse Obama of being a “rockstar” president with no substance and yet we dismiss our own men of substance as boring.

I think back in 2008 we had a chance of winning in ideals, but based on what just happened yesterday I don’t think it would have mattered if we did have someone who could articulate the message perfectly. The machine and the takers have the system locked up now.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 11:15:50 AM PST by Advil000
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Too late for all that. See my next editorial for details.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:59 AM PST by Lazamataz (Lord, hear my prayer and give brownsfan a particularly painful form of pancreatic cancer. Love, Laz.)
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To: Lazamataz

Well, it’s too late for Newt in 2012 yes. But it’s right on time to figure out what went wrong.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 11:24:07 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yes, I wish the campaign had been more ideological, but we can’t discount one huge factor: the country has turned center-left, and the c-left people are quite immune to logical arguments. You could argue until you’re blue in the face about liberalism and leftism and the whole rotten socialist world. These people can’t be persuaded, because they don’t respond to facts, logic, and reason. We’ve passed the tipping point. Time to think about a permanent split.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:24 AM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

We may have missed the tipping point, but there is no basis for you to say we can “argue til we’re blue in the face” until we run a candidate who argues til he, or she, is blue in the face - and loses.

Every time we argue til we’re blue in the face - we actually turn the nation red.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:35:48 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: C. Edmund Wright; xzins; wmfights
Not sure where you are going with this.

How about this. We did not lose the battle last night, we lost the war. The American Electorate, in the tradition of all democracies, has chosen for itself leaders who will buy their votes with money from the treasury. There are now more takers than producers.

It's over Chuck. We can't educate these fools. They are the majority now. The only way to turn them is to cut off the spigot that feeds the trough from which they feed.

For the foreseeable future, until the collapse of the dollar and the institution of our own Weimar Republic, the American electorate will feed at the trough and continue to elect politicians that promise them more and more hog feed. Those who promise them less, will be rewarded by being defeated at the polls.

Perhaps the answer is in Revolution or Secession.

IMHO the only answer is that America must repent and turn to God and stop worshipping the idols of political power. The only thing that will change our country is to have a change of heart. The only way we change our hearts is if God gives us new ones. The only way we get new hearts is if we repent.

America is collectively committing the sin of covetousness, greed and pride. No candidate will educate those who do not wish to be educated. The electorate has spoken. You don't want to hear their message and they don't want to hear yours.

Stalemate.

Time to turn to God. But it may be too late.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 11:47:03 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

You may be right, but there is evidence that maybe not. Obama got far fewer votes than he did in 08, and the GOP held the House, and that was a pretty conservative GOP slate of candidates.

For your theory to really make sense, 2010 would not have happened, Scott Walker would have lost his recall, and Obama would have gotten over 70 million votes last night.

Since none of that happened, my theory, that maybe if we actually articulated why we are right and they are wrong, the result might have - and I stress might have - been different.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 11:50:55 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: Toespi

What is the obsession of the young and single women with abortion. What happened to the pill or the norplant. What about abstinence or condoms.

I have three boys and though I know they will not be celibate, I encourage it and tell them please please about the condoms. If some young lady will sleep with you who knows who else she has been with. Protect yourself and your unborn children and be very careful where you put that thing.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 12:10:13 PM PST by formosa
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To: C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe
The Author of our Declaration of Independence, with its emphasis on Creator-endowed (therefore, unalienable) rights declared that the underlying premise of those rights and liberties was:

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

As a people, how far away from the very basis of our Constitutional protections we have come!

A President's election majority may have hinged, largely, on a population group who preferred him over his opponent because of his willingness to support that "hand of force" which "destroys" both the life and liberty of children in the womb.

23 posted on 11/07/2012 12:31:44 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: formosa
It's not just abortion. There is serious concern that defining life at conception would mean the end of the pill, and yes there are methods of contraception/pills that prevent a fertilized egg from being carried to term, and not just the so-called morning after.

The time to defeat abortion was right after Roe V Wade, by a constitutional amendment. It has now become the status quo and harder to reverse.

There is also the Dr./patient relationship - should government be in the middle of that? I think Abortion should be rare-I think the majority of the people still believe that.

However, it gets dicey when talking about life of the mother, rape, or incest. How dare the government, or some man feel that they should decide how the victim handles that situation. This is the way young women especially feel.

Should those circumstances be left to the government or other outside groups, or should that decision be between the woman, her Dr. and her God?

Abortion has been and continues to be a Holocaust that we need to fight, but that fight should start with those that most Americans agree are wrong ie inconvenience, sex of the child, late term etc. Learn from the left - they have been marching toward socialism a little bite at a time for 100 years.

Men need to quit taking the bait on the issue of abortion for life of the mother, rape, or incest. These are a small % of abortions - but every woman fears that she could someday be in that position - hence it is a powerful issue preying on fear.

Men should simply say they pray that no one ever has to face such a horrible situation, point out that they are not Solomon or God, and are willing to allow women in general, and their spouses and children in particular to make that call, while keeping in mind that the real criminal is the rapist-not the baby.

Then they need to pivot back to the larger issue or change the subject.

I hope that explains it. I am not saying that I think the innocent baby should be aborted, I would hope that my daughters would realize that, but never would I presume to tell them what their decision should be.

I would remind them that the baby is innocent, tell them to pray for guidance, and that I will be praying for them in their time of need, but ultimately they have a choice - God gives us free will after all to choose his path or some other. Eternal damnation awaits those who choose the wrong path.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 2:03:20 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe

I have both religious and political reasons for last night’s loss.

Since no king is raised or lowered without God’s approval, then it is entirely legitimate to think in terms of religious history when looking at this election. My personal opinion long has been that Jehoshaphat is the correct parallel for this age. His unholy alliances sowed seeds of future disaster for his nation.

On the political side, I believe the Romney victory in the primary is entirely attributable to his huge money advantage over all his competitors, so saying “They couldn’t even beat him.” is a lot like spurning me because I can’t compete financially with Bill Gates. It’s true, of course, that I can’t, but when is such a comparison appropriate?

In terms of the race, Romney was too timid. He did not engage on the most important issues, and when a hot one was dropped right in his lap, Benghazi, he failed to pick it up. Obama, of course, had no problem using Hurricane Sandy.

In terms of running mate, I’m fairly sure that Romney chose him to provide a 2nd path to victory. That was a reasonable thought. It didn’t work out because Ryan was unable to win his own state, a long-time Democratic stronghold. Romney’s thought was shallow, though, because he should have asked himself which of his home states he expected to win.

One has to wonder if hard-working Senator Rob Portman from Ohio had a better chance to deliver Ohio. I’m certain that Rubio would have delivered Florida and a lot of Hispanics nationwide. I can only think that Rubio turned Romney down or perhaps Rubio didn’t want to go through the birther gauntlet. Even Susana Martinez of New Mexico could have lessened his woman problems and Hispanic problems.

My guess is it was the alternative route theory that won the day. That’s OK. It was wrong, but it was OK.

I’m convinced that the Michael Barones of the political world have bloated resumes. He, Morris, Rove and their like were wrong or were soothsaying. Wrong I can forgive. But, if they were being “reassuring” for political reasons, then I seriously resent it. I want the facts, and people who purport to traffic in facts need to be held to a higher standard. That goes for Rasmussen, Gallup, and others.

Apparently, the D+6 turnout model appeared to be the correct one, and the pollsters we love to hate were right, and we were wrong.

The future of this nation hinges on how quickly it goes into depression, because a fiscal cliff is coming. They are gambling that huge tax increases will bring in the revenue to hold off that day of reckoning, but those are economy killers, not economy growers. Besides, they will be sucked up into the new ObamaCare expenses that are, last I heard, something like 2.5 trillion more than CBO originally (and politically) projected.

Tough times, serfdom, and a hopeless future might be enough to drive this nation to its knees once again.

Its hope is Providence. May His guiding hand be merciful as judgment is exacted on the American nation.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 3:37:08 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

The spiritual aspect is interesting, and I find it hard to mix a discussion of that with a secular discussion of political winds. Having said that, a freak Hurricane hitting New Jersey in late late October? Really?

Sounds like more than mere coincidence to me....


26 posted on 11/07/2012 3:48:41 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: C. Edmund Wright; P-Marlowe
I find it hard to mix a discussion of that with a secular discussion of political winds.

I do, too, but review 2 Chronicles 17-20 (thereabouts). It's fascinating reading. Both Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, and the prophets remind us that a religious/secular discussion might be long overdue.

To they extent that Sandy might have been a gift to Obama, couldn't we say the same about Benghazi and Romney.

Imagine it as a test for each man and then measure their response to the gift dropped in their laps.

Romney got a bigtime fumble in the red zone and didn't try to convert even though he was down points in the 4th quarter. He took the knee on 4 snaps.

Sandy was a shift in the wind for your team in the 4th quarter. Obama ran his kicker onto the field for fieldgoals time and again so long as the wind was at their backs.

Religion, Politics, and Football. What could be more American? :>)

27 posted on 11/07/2012 4:06:35 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Interesting analogy. Yes, Romney took a knee on Benghazi, Ryan took a knee on what economy Obama “inherited,” and Romney took a knee on bin Laden.

All told by consultants that they must do so not to “upset” the precious moderates. Thus, truth died on each issue. In fact, the entire spirit of the Age is the Death of Truth. Axelrod is the living embodiment of the opposite of the truth.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 4:11:59 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("DONE: The GOP Establishment Has Now Lost 2 In a Row")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
the truth died

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956318/posts

This is what I put out early this AM after waking up in a funk. (Had a root canal today....seriously...:>)

I think it ties into "the truth died" although its focus is timidity.

I do believe our smart guys and pollsters were playing soothsayer to the populace for the republican party. What good are they if they aren't annoyingly truthful? If the enemy is approaching from the south, I don't want my intel guys telling me the enemy is a hundred miles off. Making me feel good doesn't help me at all. It robs me of the ability to at least try to react.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 4:30:45 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

That’s what I’ve said...next time we nominate a real conservative who is part educator, part salesman or saleswomen. But if we lose, what then? Say the country chooses another radical leftist who presses for more socialism. Which the Dem voters eagerly lap up. How long do we tolerate that? If more than half the country loves socialism, give them half the country. We’ll take the other half. I don’t want to live in a socialist America.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 7:02:27 PM PST by driftless2
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To: P-Marlowe; C. Edmund Wright; xzins
We can't educate these fools. They are the majority now. The only way to turn them is to cut off the spigot that feeds the trough from which they feed.

I really didn't think this election was going to turn out like this, but over the last 4 years I started looking at relocating my business. In September I went to Panama and spent time in Boquete and Panama City. Believe it or not, but their economy is growing at a 10% clip and they are doing so much business with the canal they are adding a 3rd canal to handle larger ships. I'm just a small investor/manager but I'll be damned if I'm going to let my life's work be controlled by a bunch of "ne'er do wells".

For the foreseeable future, until the collapse of the dollar and the institution of our own Weimar Republic, the American electorate will feed at the trough and continue to elect politicians that promise them more and more hog feed.

They will ask for more from the public trough as the economy stagnates never thinking about their role in it.

What's going to happen is business growth will slow because of the taxes and regulation. More and more 30 hr a week or less jobs will be created and fewer salaried positions because of obamacare. Unemployment will stay between 7.5-8.5% because the energy sector will dry up and housing will slow. Our birth rate will continue as it has for the last 4 years with a rate of 1.8. IOW, we will be like France.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 7:40:16 PM PST by wmfights
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