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To: Fred Nerks

A blast from the past....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2689058/posts?page=186#186

Some other links on subject at hand:

http://kommoncents.blogspot.com/2011/05/did-ann-dunham-immigrate-to-indonesia.html

The one above had good images of pages from FOIA.

Also, I do not recall seeing this before:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_clW92NzmFvI/TGTGM8uTklI/AAAAAAAAECE/588qXnDMwBs/s1600/000-5.jpg

The INS entry document for SAD in 1971 (supposedly).

It only has her name on it. Nothing about Barry. Surprised?

Of course there is in consistency with this trip in the folklore and documentation.

From Kommoncents link above.

“On an unspecified date in 1971: Barack Obama returns from Indonesia to Hawaii alone, unaccompanied by his mother (Source: “Dreams from My Father,” p. 53). Obama asserts he hands his grandparents his U.S. passport upon arrival in Honolulu (Source: Dreams from My Father, p. 54).
Nothing in the released Freedom of Information State Department documents indicates Dunham Soetoro assisted her son in obtaining a U.S. passport in Indonesia after she amended her passport to remove his name. “

U.S. Department of State allows Dunham Soetoro to enter the United States on her expired passport No. F777788. The State Department exception form notes the departure from the U.S. related to the trip was the Oct. 1967 flight Dunham Soetoro took to Indonesia from Hawaii on Japan Airways.

Oct. 20-21, 1971

Dunham Soetoro departs from Jakarta, Indonesia, on Pan American Airlines Flight No. 812, arriving Oct. 21, 1971, in Honolulu, Hawaii, traveling on the exception granted by the State Department on Oct. 21, 1971, to use her expired passport No. F777788.

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So you have a claim in a book that he traveled ALONE from Jakarta to Hawaii. AND you have evidence that SAD traveled on October 20/21. At least the later has some evidence.

But the later has no sign of a child accompanying her. It appears its just - her. Also, since her passport expired on 7/18/1970 and was flagged upon entry in October 1971 it is pretty safe to say that SAD did NOT enter the US between July 1970 and October 1971. Given how hard it is pin things down this at least seems to indicate there was not ‘regular’ travel by the family back and forth to and from Indonesia.

So, no evidence of SAD traveling WITH Barry in October and he claims he traveled ‘alone’ and went through Japan on the way between Jakarta and Honolulu.

Some say if he traveled alone he could not be bouncing through other countries as he claimed. It must have been a direct flight from Jakarta to Honolulu - right?

Well, a slight problem with that. No commercial aircraft could make the flight directly in 1971. Jakarta to Honolulu is 6,709 miles as the crow flies. The longest range Boeing 707 - 3,735 miles operational range. How about a 747? They entered service in 1970. Well 747-100 operational range is only 5,300 miles. Quite simply there were no non-stop flights from Jakarta to Hawaii. How would a 10-year old traveling alone take an international flight that had a stop over? And not just a 1 hour on the ground stop-over. Changing planes or a long layover for full refueling would be a must.

The debate over ‘removing’ Obama from SAD passport in 1968 has one last fun twist. There is not evidence of him being ON her passport to start with. The 1965 amendment does not list him. There really is no evidence he was ever on her passport.

So other than a confusing mark out even the passport records fail to link this supposed mother and child.


151 posted on 12/13/2012 6:56:29 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: bluecat6
...The debate over ‘removing’ Obama from SAD passport in 1968 has one last fun twist. There is not evidence of him being ON her passport to start with. The 1965 amendment does not list him. There really is no evidence he was ever on her passport.

You got that right, welcome to the 'club' there's NO WAY one can make the documents fit either the myth of 'Dreams' or the stories told by obots who are trying to paper over the gaps.

Unless you see the passport she apparently had in July, 1965, of which we have been told no records exist because they were destoyed...

There's nothing to indicate she ever took him to Indonesia. And if she didn't, then who did? It gets worse. On some of her passport applications she's 5 foot five, on others she's 5 foot and a half inch. Did she shrink?

So other than a confusing mark out even the passport records fail to link this supposed mother and child.

And now you follow why one of the things I have tried to point out is that we have no idea when he left the USA and went to Indonesia? Or what his name was?

There's something seriously wrong with the entire Indonesian/Soetoro story. The image of the little family on the couch is a compostion. It's a FAKE, and why would they need to do that?

WND INDONESIA TIMELINE

154 posted on 12/13/2012 11:53:00 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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