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Identifying Three Trends in Far Right Violence in the United States
USMA Combating Terrorism Center ^ | September 26, 2012 | Arie Perliger

Posted on 09/27/2012 4:23:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee

n the morning hours of August 5, 2012, the Sikh temple at Oak Creek, Wisconsin, was crowded with children and mothers engaged in preparations for the Langar, a traditional Sikh communal meal scheduled to be held later that day. At around 10:00 AM, Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old from nearby Cudahy, Wisconsin, arrived in the temple parking lot and started firing at the temple’s inhabitants using a pistol purchased several days earlier. He then entered the temple and continued his killing spree until he was gunned down by police forces that arrived to the site. At that point, he had already killed six worshippers and a police officer.[1]

While details from the investigation have not yet been officially released, a growing body of evidence links Page to various far right elements, mainly the skinheads subculture and the white power music scene. As a result, policymakers and intellectuals expressed concerns about a potential revival of far right violence in the United States. Many of their responses also reflected common misconceptions and deficiencies that dominate the popular discourse about the American far right, such as the inability to distinguish between its different components, lack of understanding of its ideological tenets as well as the tendency to ignore the fact that American far right violence was never really absent; if anything, the level of far right violence has been rising steadily for the last two decades.

This article provides clarity on the various components of the American far right. It also offers a basic analytical model to better understand its current violent trends. The article’s findings—which are based on a dataset of more than 4,400 cases of violent attacks by far right elements during a 22-year period—will be expanded in a more detailed study that will soon be published by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

Typology of the American Violent Far Right Three major ideological trends can be identified within the American violent far right: racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. The ideological characteristics of the various groups impact their operations in terms of tactics used and target selection.

Racist Trend The ideological trend most familiar to Americans is the racist one, which is comprised of white supremacy groups such as the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), neo-Nazis such as the National Alliance, and skinhead groups such as the Hammerskin Nation. The racist groups are interested in preserving or restoring what they perceive as the appropriate and natural racial and cultural hierarchy by enforcing social and political control over non-whites—such as African Americans, Jews and various immigrant communities. Their ideological foundations are based mainly on ideas of nativism (rejection of foreign norms and practices), racism, segregation and xenophobia. Other popular components of the far-right ideology—including strong affinity for order and social control, traditional values and anti-democratic dispositions—are manifested by some of these groups, but are usually secondary.

Since the mid-1980s, many of the racist groups framed their ideas in a defensive context and started to utilize “civil rights” rhetoric, usually presenting themselves as dedicated to the promotion or protection of the white race, and preserving their heritage and culture. Other groups, however, intensified their usage of Nazi heritage, symbols, rituals and ideological foundations to justify and promote anti-Semitic, racist and nativist ideas, as well as exclusionism. More specifically, since some of these groups believe that territorial and racial purity is a condition for the survival of the “white race,” they developed the idea of enforced segregation, including concrete “programs” to eliminate inferior races, expel others or divide the United States into racially homogeneous geographical areas.

In terms of target selection, and in line with the trend’s ideology, the great majority of attacks perpetrated by these groups are aimed against individuals or organizations affiliated with a specific minority ethnic group, or non-Aryan facilities (mosques, synagogues, or schools affiliated with minority communities). While the KKK is heavily involved in acts of vandalism, the skinheads and the neo-Nazi groups are more engaged in attacks against human targets and show a higher affinity for mass casualty attacks.

Anti-Federalist Trend The anti-federalist trend (which is usually identified in the literature as the “militia” or “patriot” movement) appeared in full force only in the early to mid-1990s with the emergence of groups such as the Militia of Montana and the Michigan Militia. Anti-federalist and anti-government sentiments existed in U.S. society before the 1990s via diverse movements and ideological associations promoting anti-taxation, gun rights, and a “survivalist” lifestyle. Yet most scholars concur that the “farm crises” of the 1980s combined with the implications of rapid cultural, technological and normative changes in American society, as well as attempts to revise gun control and environmental legislation, facilitated the emergence of a fairly ideologically cohesive movement, as well as its rapid growth.[2]

Ideologically, anti-federalists are interested in undermining the influence, legitimacy and practical sovereignty of the federal government and its proxy organizations, such as the U.S. military or Federal Bureau of Investigation.[3] This rationale is multifaceted, and includes the belief that the U.S. political system and its proxies have been hijacked by external forces interested in promoting a New World Order (NWO),[4] in which the United States will be absorbed into the United Nations or another version of global government; strong convictions regarding the corrupted and tyrannical nature of the federal government and its related natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civilian lives and constitutional rights; and finally, perceptions supporting civilian activism, individual freedoms, and self governing the way they were manifested in the frontier culture in U.S. history, especially during the Revolutionary War and the expansion to the American west. Hence, anti-federalist groups see themselves as part of a struggle to restore or preserve the United States’ “true” identity, values and “way of life” and as the successors of the country’s founding fathers.

Recent research conducted by this author shows that in the case of the anti-federalist trend there is compatibility between ideological tenets and operational characteristics. Two-thirds of the attacks by anti-federalist groups were directed against the government and its proxies, such as law enforcement (65.8%); while attacks against minorities (11%) and infrastructure (6.1%, which could also be seen as attacks against the government) comprise most of the rest.

Fundamentalist Trend The fundamentalist trend, which includes mainly Christian identity groups such as the Aryan Nations, merges religious fundamentalism with traditional white supremacy and racist tendencies. It promotes ideas of nativism, exclusionism, and racial superiority via a unique interpretation of religious texts that focus on division of humanity according to primordial attributes. More specifically, these groups maintain that a correct interpretation of the holy texts reveals that it is not the people of Israel but the Anglo-Saxons who are the chosen people. Moreover, the war between the forces of light and darkness, as portrayed in the Bible, will be (or has already been) manifested via racial war between the white Anglo-Saxon nation and various non-Anglo-Saxon ethnic groups such as the “Children of Satan” (Jews) and “mud people” (non-whites). The identity groups tend to utilize religious heritage, symbols, rituals and norms to instill and spread these ideas, as well as to provide moral justification for, and encouragement to, political activism against elements that are threatening the materialization of the appropriate sociopolitical order.

Operationally, identity violence focuses on minorities and has a higher tendency to involve mass casualty attacks (in comparison to the other two trends).[5]

The Iceberg Model and American Far Right Violence In the early 1980s, the Israeli political scientist Ehud Sprinzak published a paper on the irredentist Israeli religio-political movement Gush Emunim (The Bloc of the Faithful) entitled “The Iceberg Model of Political Extremism.”[6] He argued that the Gush is best understood not as a classical protest movement, but as the extremist tip of a large social and cultural “iceberg,” in effect a religious subculture, which supports and nurtures the Gush. Pyramidal in structure, this iceberg—Gush’s social and political bases of support—broadens as one moves from the politically extremist tip to the less extremist base. Based on analysis of 4,400 cases of violent attacks by far-right elements in a 22-year period, the iceberg model could be applicable for understanding some of the characteristics of the American violent far right as well.

To begin with, the American far right is characterized by a large base of supporters (the base of the “iceberg”) who are usually engaged in low level violence (usually minor incidents of vandalism or low sophisticated attacks against individuals) and are not affiliated with any formal organizational frameworks (for example, just one percent of the attacks by unaffiliated members includes the use of firearms or explosives, well below what could be observed in any of the other trends). Based on the body of literature developed in the last few years regarding political radicalization, it is possible to carefully assume that the perpetrators of these attacks are the future recruitment potential of the more institutionalized organizations. In other words, after crossing the line and performing some minor attacks on their own initiative, at some point these individuals may look for more organized, systematic mechanisms to express their ideas for political activism, and thus will join one of the other, more formal, streams of the American far right toward the top of the iceberg.

If this perspective is indeed a reflection of the movement’s structure and dynamics, then the United States may be facing a continuous rise in the level of violence, especially since the last six years have been characterized by an overall increase in the “base” of the iceberg (i.e., there has been an increase in the number of low sophisticated, unaffiliated and spontaneous attacks, which have been followed by an increase in the number of mass casualty attacks). It should be noted that most of these low sophisticated/spontaneous attacks have received relatively little attention from the media, political authorities and law enforcement, while the few mass casualty attacks attracted most of the attention.

Which groups contribute most to the tip of the iceberg, and which are closer to its base? The findings show that the KKK (and on some level anti-abortionists), with its current informal and fragmented structure and low level of operational sophistication, is the formal movement that is closest to the base of the iceberg (and may be the first station for those joining the “formal” American far right). The higher one “climbs” to the top of the iceberg, the more lethal the group’s attacks and the smaller they are in volume. Therefore, following the KKK, the order can be ranked as follows from least to most lethal: skinheads, militias, neo-Nazi groups and finally attacks perpetrated by individuals or groups affiliated with the Christian identity movement. To illustrate, while Christian identity elements perpetrated “just” 66 attacks in the last 22 years, their attacks generated close to three victims per attack on average. The skinheads, which are part of the racist trend, were responsible for more than 200 attacks, but averaged close to one victim per attack.

While the model is not perfect,[7] overall it seems that the iceberg model fits the findings, as there is a clear base which is wider in terms of the number of attacks but is less “sharp” (in lethality), while the narrower parts of the iceberg are indeed sharper and more lethal.

Conclusion Conventional wisdom suggests that the most damaging and dangerous mass of an iceberg is actually the section that is underwater. Indeed, the high volume of far right violence reflected in vandalism and attacks against individuals is probably a better indication of the growing threat from the far right than the small number of mass casualty attacks. A group or individual will rarely engage in mass casualty attacks without first moving through the lower base of the iceberg by engaging in low profile attacks. A rise in the number of low profile attacks should eventually result in an increase in mass casualty attacks.

In more specific terms, the findings reflect a steady rise in the level of far right violence in the United States during the last two decades. While some far right groups are clearly in decline, such as the KKK and anti-abortionists, others such as the skinheads, neo-Nazis and militias are still active and represent a growing threat.

Dr. Arie Perliger is the Class of 1977 Director of Terrorism Studies at the Combating Terrorism Center and Assistant Professor at the Department of Social Sciences, U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

[1] Page was shot in the abdomen during a firefight with police. He then shot himself in the head.

[2] Richard Abens, American Militias (Downers Grove, IL: Intervarsity Press, 1996), pp. 7-20; Joel Dyer, Harvest of Rage (Boulder, CO: Westview Press, 1998), pp. 24-44; Kathlyn Gay, Militias: Armed and Dangerous (Springfield, NJ: Enslow Publishers Inc., 1997), pp. 36-52.

[3] A development that may be responsible for the growing concern and awareness of a militia movement revival is the popularity of the Sovereign Citizen movement. Simply put, the Sovereign Citizen movement opposes formal governmental regulations of their “basic rights” such as “driving the land” (thus, Sovereign Citizen members will refuse to apply for, or to have, a driver’s license and car registration) or working for a living (thus refusing to pay taxes). Several violent incidents involving Sovereign Citizen members, including the killing of two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers during a traffic stop in May 2010, provided an indication that some members of the movement were indeed willing to use violence to protect and follow their principles.

[4] They believe in the existence of a conspiratorial organization allegedly masterminding events and controlling world affairs through governments and corporations to establish a New World Order (see, for example, the Illuminati movement, which originated initially in 18th century Germany).

[5] There are two reasons for this. First, some scholars have suggested that the more the group’s agenda is framed in religious and totalistic ideas, the more it will be willing or determined to use exceptionally lethal tactics. Second, while the skinheads and KKK members are in many cases a part of the social fabric of a specific community, this is not the case with many members of identity groups. This isolation, which creates a social distance between members of the group and mainstream society, may serve not just as a breeding ground for radicalization, but may facilitate a stronger sense of alienation toward the mainstream culture and willingness to engage in extreme, harmful activities.

[6] Ehud Sprinzak, “Gush Emunim: The Iceberg Model of Political Extremism,” Jerusalem Quarterly 21 (1981): pp. 28-47.

[7] For example, excluding the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, militias generated fewer victims than the neo-Nazi groups, despite engaging in a lower number of attacks.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: cw2; cwiiping; farright; kkk; military; militia; nazi; politicalcorrectness; propaganda; rightwing; sovereigncitizen; teaparty; threatmatrix; usma; westpoint
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1 posted on 09/27/2012 4:23:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..

CW2 Ping

West Point is now being used to advance the "Evil Right Wing Racist Extremists Must Be Crushed!" meme.

This relates directly to the Small Wars Journal article from August, "Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A Vision of the Future."

Now the West Pointers are being prepared to turn their guns against Americans. This is a very dangerous trend, folks.

As the U.S. Army returns from abroad, it appears that they are being prepared for operations at home, against other Americans.

2 posted on 09/27/2012 4:28:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

A friend of mine has a son who has received an appointment to USMA and USNA but he is worried about political correctness at the academies which is in full force


3 posted on 09/27/2012 4:30:43 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: Travis McGee
Lucky for us, the federal government is way out in front, preparing to battle the

Evil White Racist Right Wing Tea Party KKK Nazi Militia Extremists.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 4:33:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Why does everyone assume neo-nazis are “far right”? Original nazis weren’t.


5 posted on 09/27/2012 4:34:11 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Travis McGee

So where are the studies regarding left wing violence?


6 posted on 09/27/2012 4:36:44 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (We have grieved the Holy Spirit, with our Dark hearts and dark minds turned against God!)
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To: Travis McGee

Perhaps we should reconsider funding this unconstitutional standing army. It was never intended that the USA should have one for the very reason that the Founders knew the danger to freedom of government armies.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 4:37:44 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Travis McGee

Part of a very strange evolution within our government towards regarding all of us as enemies. On one hand, they need us for taxes. On the other, they are accumulating armored vehicles and billions of rounds of ammunition for “homeland security”. We need to keep an eye on them, don’t we?


8 posted on 09/27/2012 4:38:15 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Tublecane

I guess if we can call skinheads far right we should call Black Panthers and all Hispanic and the Bloods and crips far left.

Who poses the most danger to America a few skinheads with one of them going nuts in a year or the blacks and hispanics whio kill every day in most large city ghetto’s in America.

Hoa many died at the Sikh temple in that one incident and how many died in Chicago last weekend?

I don’t hear them worrying about the killers on the far left.


9 posted on 09/27/2012 4:40:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tublecane

“Everyone” does not so assume.

Nazi means National SOCIALIST. The leftist totalitarians try to attach “Nazi” to “Right Wing,” but use it as an opportunity to correct those who don’t know.

As in:
Communism and Nazism are two sides of the SOCIALIST coins. They are both totalitarian ideologies, differing only in their “official enemies,” one hating class enemies, and one hating racial enemies.

Both forms of SOCIALISM are at the opposite pole from CONSTITUTIONALISM, which is where most “right wingers” reside.

Then remind the leftist goons (even at the USMA) of their oath to defend the CONSTITUTION.


10 posted on 09/27/2012 4:41:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Venturer

See my reply just above.


11 posted on 09/27/2012 4:42:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Chainmail
We need to keep an eye on them, don’t we?

The founders thought so, but who are they compared to such luminaries as Dr. Arie Perliger (the Class of 1977 Director of Terrorism Studies at the Combating Terrorism Center and Assistant Professor at the Department of Social Sciences, U.S. Military Academy at West Point)?

Mr. niteowl77

12 posted on 09/27/2012 4:43:18 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: Travis McGee

skinheads (who tend to be neo-nazis) are far left.


13 posted on 09/27/2012 4:43:42 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Travis McGee

The racism thing is a red herring. Naziism, or rather I should say fascism, is socialism in one nation, whereas communism is supposed to be for the globe. Nazis are slightly to the right of commies and to the left of the rest of us.


14 posted on 09/27/2012 4:45:38 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Travis McGee

One guy killed six people in the USA. Meh. I recently heard of 19 people who killed 3000+ people in the USA.


15 posted on 09/27/2012 4:45:49 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Tublecane

Correct, Nazis were the “National Socialist Party”. Something the left has waged a propaganda war to try and paper over. But it is a FACT. They were Fascists, Socialists. in other words: “Leftists”.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 4:47:21 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Tublecane
Why does everyone assume neo-nazis are “far right”? Original nazis weren’t.

You should read The Language of the 3d Reich. It explains how the nazis changed the language to manipulate German society.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Language-Third-Reich-Imprerii/dp/0826457770

Under the Third Reich, the official language of Nazism came to be used as a political tool. The existing social culture was manipulated and subverted as the German people had their ethical values and their thoughts about politics, history and daily life recast in a new language. This notebook, originally called LTI (Lingua Tertii Imperii) - the abbreviation itself a parody of Nazified language - was written out of Klemperer's conviction that the language of the Third Reich helped to create its culture. As Klemperer writes: "it isn't only Nazi actions that have to vanish, but also the Nazi cast of mind, the typical Nazi way of thinking, and its breeding ground: the language of Nazism".

It wasn't so long ago that the word "Militia" conjured images of honor and patriotism. Today, even many people on the right use it as a pejorative term.
17 posted on 09/27/2012 4:48:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Travis McGee
Which groups contribute most to the tip of the iceberg, and which are closer to its base? The findings show that the KKK (and on some level anti-abortionists), with its current informal and fragmented structure and low level of operational sophistication, is the formal movement that is closest to the base of the iceberg (and may be the first station for those joining the “formal” American far right). The higher one “climbs” to the top of the iceberg, the more lethal the group’s attacks and the smaller they are in volume. Therefore, following the KKK, the order can be ranked as follows from least to most lethal: skinheads, militias, neo-Nazi groups and finally attacks perpetrated by individuals or groups affiliated with the Christian identity movement. To illustrate, while Christian identity elements perpetrated “just” 66 attacks in the last 22 years, their attacks generated close to three victims per attack on average. The skinheads, which are part of the racist trend, were responsible for more than 200 attacks, but averaged close to one victim per attack.

Christians, conservatives, the KKK and skinheads all tied together as a giant lurking iceberg. How convenient and right out of the Joseph Goebbels School of Propoganda.

18 posted on 09/27/2012 4:49:39 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Travis McGee; Tublecane; Venturer

Some useful readings regarding the Left-wing nature of Nazi politics.

Hitler’s Handouts
Inside the Nazis’ welfare state
http://reason.com/archives/2007/08/15/hitlers-handouts

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/hitler.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1143131/posts

For the best short summary of the similarities of the Reds and the Nazis, see the two-paragraph Hayek quote on my FR profile page. It’s the 3rd one down.


19 posted on 09/27/2012 4:54:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee
UP...!!!
20 posted on 09/27/2012 5:02:08 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Tublecane

In England “far right” has become a generic insult to be used against anyone the administration/media doesn’t like.

The SPLC calls the New Black Panther Party “far-right extremists”.

Just continuing the trend here.


21 posted on 09/27/2012 5:03:14 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

“In the early 1980s, the Israeli political scientist Ehud Sprinzak published”

I knew it, we Jews were going to get blamed for this sooner or later.

/s


22 posted on 09/27/2012 5:09:26 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Travis McGee
We are seeing here an ignominious end to the Long Gray Line.

From Gen. MacArthur's speech on receipt of the Sylvanus Thayer award:

The Long Gray Line has never failed us. Were you to do so, a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country.

23 posted on 09/27/2012 5:09:42 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Chainmail

Add to that, while our foreign enemies are gathering strength and confidence, the rulers are turning their suspicion and their power on us.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 5:12:09 AM PDT by Texas resident (Let's elect an American this time.)
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To: Travis McGee

With many newly minted officers facing a high-risk tour in the Middle East, is it naive to assume WP Cadets would raise their hand in class to offer a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, “Excuse me sir, which of these 3 categories would Major Hassan fit in?”


25 posted on 09/27/2012 5:12:59 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: TADSLOS
Christians, conservatives, the KKK and skinheads all tied together as a giant lurking iceberg. How convenient and right out of the Joseph Goebbels School of Propaganda.

The crazy thing is that Goebbels learned from an American progressive Jew named Edward Bernays who wrote "Crystallizing public Opinion". Bernays was just a PR man who worked for both Woodrow Wilson and Calvin Coolidge. Bernays can also be credited for convincing Americans to eat bacon and women smoking.

Karl von Wiegand, foreign correspondent of the Hearst newspapers, an old hand at interpreting Europe and just returned from Germany, was telling us about Goebbels and his propaganda plans to consolidate Nazi power. Goebbels had shown Wiegand his propaganda library, the best Wiegand had ever seen. Goebbels, said Wiegand, was using my book Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. This shocked me. ... Obviously the attack on the Jews of Germany was no emotional outburst of the Nazis, but a deliberate, planned campaign.

-Edward Bernays
26 posted on 09/27/2012 5:17:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DTogo
Major Hassan? That was not related to Islam in any way. The U.S. Army said so, officially. It was just one of those "workplace incidents."


27 posted on 09/27/2012 5:17:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomPoster
How to spot REAL Nazi Stormtroopers:


28 posted on 09/27/2012 5:19:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mdmathis6
So where are the studies regarding left wing violence?

Left wing violence is largely institutionalized. It exists in anti private sector activities including but not limited to the taking of land, wealth, freedom and life, whether from those deemed a threat to institutions or simply from those from whom the confiscation of their properety will benefit the state.

To study left wing violence it is necessary to research government abuse of authority. That is a herculean task.

This research, manifestly politically motivated, is leading us into a war of suppression by the government of citizens who oppose tyranny.

29 posted on 09/27/2012 5:24:42 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: txrefugee
Perhaps we should reconsider funding this unconstitutional standing army. It was never intended that the USA should have one for the very reason that the Founders knew the danger to freedom of government armies.

The "standing army" that the founders warned against is actually currently embodied in the large collection of armed federal "law enforcement" groups. Remember, in the colonial days there was no separate "royal police". The purpose of the king's army was to enforce his will upon his subjects.

The founders objective was to minimize the ability of the federal government to forcibly impose their will upon the people. The feds got around it by creating an army for internal use, but not calling it an army.

30 posted on 09/27/2012 5:24:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Travis McGee

Excellent ...agree BTTT !

Stay safe ...


31 posted on 09/27/2012 5:27:39 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: TADSLOS

“Christians, conservatives, the KKK and skinheads all tied together as a giant lurking iceberg. How convenient and right out of the Joseph Goebbels School of Propaganda”

Well said! However government forces simply lack the sheer & unified manpower to enforce thought control against the populace; they will have to rely on snitches just like the Nazis & KGB. By the way, how many here have never glanced about or over your shoulder before saying something deemed “politically incorrect”?

But.....if they have snitches, we have `a rifle behind every blade of grass’. If the Third Reich or the Soviet Union hadn’t had gun registration, being a secret policeman would have been far more dangerous than being in open combat.

Wanna give a liberal nightmares? Send him/her/it a Cabela’s or Cheaper Than Dirt catalogue. Or better yet, keep them both & order something!


32 posted on 09/27/2012 5:28:02 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Free speech is more important than Islam.")
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To: Travis McGee

“Wars, and rumors of wars...”


33 posted on 09/27/2012 5:28:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Travis McGee

The difference between the SS and DHS is that the SS actually were elite troops. The DHS on the other hand is like most domestic SWAT teams that dream of being high-speed, low-drag special operators.


34 posted on 09/27/2012 5:29:04 AM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Travis McGee
Racist Trend The ideological trend most familiar to Americans is the racist one, which is comprised of white supremacy groups such as the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), neo-Nazis such as the National Alliance, and skinhead groups such as the Hammerskin Nation.

National Socialist......Oh, they really mean the left.

35 posted on 09/27/2012 5:34:03 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Squantos

Glad to see you’re still alive and kicking.


36 posted on 09/27/2012 5:37:49 AM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: Travis McGee
To begin with, the American far right is characterized by a large base of supporters (the base of the “iceberg”) who are usually engaged in low level violence (usually minor incidents of vandalism or low sophisticated attacks against individuals) and are not affiliated with any formal organizational frameworks (for example, just one percent of the attacks by unaffiliated members includes the use of firearms or explosives, well below what could be observed in any of the other trends). Based on the body of literature developed in the last few years regarding political radicalization, it is possible to carefully assume that the perpetrators of these attacks are the future recruitment potential of the more institutionalized organizations. In other words, after crossing the line and performing some minor attacks on their own initiative, at some point these individuals may look for more organized, systematic mechanisms to express their ideas for political activism, and thus will join one of the other, more formal, streams of the American far right toward the top of the iceberg.

Somebody who was actually paying attention would notice this describes the Left. Underneath the "Animal Liberation Front", PETA forms the base of the iceberg. Underneath the SDS, the rest of the Left formed the iceberg. Etc.

37 posted on 09/27/2012 5:37:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: dljordan

You would be amazed by the percentage of former military SpecOps guys currently employed by the federal alphabet agencies in their “Special Response Teams.”

It’s almost a prerequisite for entrance today. USMC MarSoc, SEALs, Rangers, SFs etc.


38 posted on 09/27/2012 5:41:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DTogo
With many newly minted officers facing a high-risk tour in the Middle East, is it naive to assume WP Cadets would raise their hand in class to offer a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, “Excuse me sir, which of these 3 categories would Major Hassan fit in?”

I'm wondering if perhaps, just perhaps, the author decided to describe the Left, accurately enough that his audience would recognize it, but put "Right" labels on it so he would not get in trouble with Obama's watchdogs.

39 posted on 09/27/2012 5:42:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Travis McGee
wow...just a generation or two to redefine all of these socialist groups into 'far right wing' extremists...

do the troops taking the Oath even have a clue as to the text of the Constitution ??? if not, its gonna get stupid soon...hopefully the PTB have jumped the proverbial gun and dont have that dumbed down a population in the Services...yet...

how is the *purge* going to look in the US military...???

forcing the queers in was prolly just step one...

40 posted on 09/27/2012 5:47:21 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Travis McGee
Conventional wisdom suggests that the most damaging and dangerous mass of an iceberg is actually the section that is underwater.

TRANSLATION: Just because right-wing violence is practically non-existent doesn't mean we can't pretend it is threat #1.

41 posted on 09/27/2012 5:47:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Tublecane
Why does everyone assume neo-nazis are “far right”?

Because the left succeeded in whitewashing history.

42 posted on 09/27/2012 5:49:16 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

It’s a “teachable moment” every time the leftists try to conflate “right wing” and “Nazi”.

See #10.


43 posted on 09/27/2012 5:55:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PapaBear3625
Ideologically, anti-federalists are interested in undermining the influence, legitimacy and practical sovereignty of the federal government and its proxy organizations, such as the U.S. military or Federal Bureau of Investigation.

I guess I'm far right then. Although I don't want to undermine the legitimacy of the federal government - I want to maintain that legitimacy and it seems to me that it is far more legitimate when it keeps to its proper bounds.

Also, I didn't know that I engaged in low level violence, vandalism or unsophisticated attacks against individuals. Either I'm an exception, or political discussion and conservative voting is low level violence.

44 posted on 09/27/2012 6:06:46 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: cripplecreek

Interesting history lesson. Thanks.


45 posted on 09/27/2012 6:07:08 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Travis McGee

More psy-op prepping the battle-space.

If we do need to take back our Country via kinetic ballot, we’ll be fighting this bias as well...


46 posted on 09/27/2012 6:11:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Travis McGee

bump


47 posted on 09/27/2012 6:14:07 AM PDT by Weirdad (Don't put up with ANY voter fraud...)
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To: DuncanWaring

They are painting us to resemble Emmanuel Goldstein.


48 posted on 09/27/2012 6:14:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Travis McGee
Lucky for us, the federal government is way out in front, preparing to battle the Evil White Racist Right Wing Tea Party KKK Nazi Militia Extremists.

Oh look, the police have themselves an RV.

49 posted on 09/27/2012 6:19:33 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Travis McGee
You would be amazed by the percentage of former military SpecOps guys currently employed by the federal alphabet agencies in their “Special Response Teams.”

It’s almost a prerequisite for entrance today. USMC MarSoc, SEALs, Rangers, SFs etc.

True. The skill sets that once were restricted to US military SOF conducting combat operations exclusively against foreign enemies has dramatically morphed into para-military operations against domestic "terrorists" since 2001, thanks in no small part to the passing and implementation of the Patriot Act (a most cynical term if there ever was one). The draw is the adrenaline rush of the work, remaining in what is considered an elite force, and the money. The question is, how many of these former special operators will remember and honor their oath to the Constitution rather than go into "accomplish the mission" auto mode when the domestiic SHTF? We shall see...

50 posted on 09/27/2012 6:22:36 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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