[cripplecreek]

I guess it depends on what Rick Michigan decides is good for us.

If anyone wants to be added to the Michigan Cap Con ping list, let me know.

[Sacajaweau]

Let's take a look at Medicare. It's a good example of what's wrong with the system.

I paid into it for years....years and years. When I turned 65....wham....they took $96 a month out of my SS check for a medical premium. Of course, it doesn't cover everything, so I have to purchase a supplement.

And of course now....all SS payments will be electronic giving government access to your account.

[EGPWS]

The primary constraints on federal power now are political, not legal.

Bye, bye freedom!

And I'm being realistic not sarcastic.

We can replace our best rotating oil drills with 250 year old colonial grave hardware and triple our oil output now.

[rurgan]

It will mean that the government will tell you which of their government doctors you must see. So you will lose freedom of choice in what doctor(S) treat you.If you don't like that doctor or if the doctor is an incompetent cretin( you can bet that happens a lot in government agencies just think of a high school principle or department of motor vehicles worker): well then you are screwed. Democrats are Roberts are for this and also the 13,000 pages of government regulations and control. Amazing.

Not to mention this Obamacare will turn the U.S.A into a socialist country . Socialism/government doesn't work. Why don't democrats including Roberts, Obama, Reid, Pelosi see this?

[UCANSEE2]

Simple really. It means everyone pays in, no one but the ruling elite get actual 'care'.

[Toespi]

Healthcare will be precisely like many of the various states workers compensation programs. Have a friend who had a very serious otj injury. Initial denial of course, then doctor resubmitting medical findings, then allowed claim but denied doctor recommended treatment, met with WC doctor, tried his treatment, didn’t work, blah blah blah. One and a half year later, another WC doctor finally approved what the first doctor wanted to do in the first place.

[GSWarrior]

Everyone is missing the point on healthcare reform. The point is that more than 50% of the population of America did not have their interests represented in the discussion and formation of Obamacare. This is grossly unfair.

If insurance reform is what you want then it can't be entrusted to just one political party. The result is chaos and confusion and the opposition party will just dig its heels in deeper.

Democrats politicians, laywers, and lobbyists met behind closed doors and brought forth a mammoth 2500 page document we "had to pass it to find out what is in it." This is insurance reform? Please!. I wouldn't trust only Republicans with the task of healthcare reform. I certainly don't trust Democrats.

Reform, if you want it, needs to be a joint effort of Dems and Repubs working together, with no lobbyists and as few lawyers as possible. Both sides need to understand they may not get everything they want.

Reform, if you want it, needs to be a national effort not unlike the 1960s when JFK challenged America to walk on the moon by the end of the decade. Healthcare reform may well span several administrations. I don't know.

I do know that this back and forth of which party has the better reform plan is just political theater.

[mo]

They are indeed “legal”..and thats precisely what the Second Amendment does...is enshrine the cartridge box as a legitimate alternative as the soapbox and ballot box cease effectiveness.

That’s the reality of the Second. It is the ultimate affirmation of man’s God gifted freedom.

the run at the Second...hard..has just begun.