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Reality Check: Is Teacher Pay So Low They Cannot 'Eat and Have a Life'?
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 5/28/2012 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 05/30/2012 8:23:33 AM PDT by MichCapCon

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To: Stegall Tx

I was deliberately trying to lowball it, running with the framing as presented (implying normal 2000-hour work year) - then spinning it with the context of someone starting out with no dependents and optionally nigh unto no expenses. All that vacation time leaves plenty for a second (and third) job, and/or building a tiny house from scratch on cheap property.

Too many buy into a common narrative, then complain that it doesn’t work out for them.


61 posted on 05/30/2012 1:24:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I have a common reply to teachers who complain about the low wages; If you do not think it is enough, find another line of work.
I also have a common reply to the people who complain that teachers make too much; If it is such a high paying, easy job get your degree and certification and become a teacher.
Being a teacher is a tough, but rewarding job. Not everyone is cut out to be a teacher.
62 posted on 05/30/2012 1:27:02 PM PDT by John D
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

For just one person???? 414.25 sounds pretty awesome to me!!

Of course you can’t eat out all the time on that and buy whatever the heck you want, so I guess you can’t eat and live. So sad.


63 posted on 05/30/2012 1:30:34 PM PDT by Conservaliberty (25 and conservative. I guess I have no heart, Oh, well, makes shooting the bad guys easier.)
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To: LibertarianLiz
paid vacation and holidays

I do not know of any teacher having paid vacations or holidays. In GA they get 12.5 days of sick leave, but no paid vacations or holidays. They are only paid for the days they work.
64 posted on 05/30/2012 1:33:09 PM PDT by John D
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To: Conservaliberty
I was working from the person in the story with a BA in teaching, not married and no dependents. Which would be normal for a 22 year old white male in that area.

I could have given him a lot more discretionary income with a used car and a two bedroom with room mate to split expenses but I decided to give him all the "necessities of life" a slightly spoiled middle class college graduate would think he deserved.

It still ends up pretty nice.

65 posted on 05/30/2012 2:21:53 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Migrating elephant herds react badly to flaming motor homes and dry ice doesn't repel killer bees)
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To: KittenClaws

Again, their argument is that the perception is that teachers are starving and overworked. They are correct, that is the perception.

They have not said that teachers are starving and overworked.


66 posted on 05/30/2012 3:20:58 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: LibertarianLiz

>>I am assuming that you are speaking of “right to work” states. I guess I never thought about the impact on “public” unions, I always think of that in terms of private companies. So, in a “right to work” state, the state CAN fire an incompetent teacher after three warnings?

Definitely. In a “right-to-work” or “non-union” state, unions do exist but they are voluntary. I have known teachers that have been fired (more likely “forced to resign” at the end of their contract so their reputation is not damaged), but an especially deficient 1st year teacher was fired “with cause” at my school this year. Furthermore, four teachers were laid off because of budget cuts 2 years ago, and teacher’s pay were furloughed 5 days, in addition to a salary freeze for the last 3 years.

It isn’t all roses, and I really wish the union teacher states would stop bitching about the amount of money they get with the lack of responsibility they have. I’d like to see some of them teach Scarlet Letter to my regular English students with a 90% final exam pass rate.


67 posted on 05/30/2012 4:49:02 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: John D

>>I do not know of any teacher having paid vacations or holidays. In GA they get 12.5 days of sick leave, but no paid vacations or holidays. They are only paid for the days they work.

In SC they get 10 sick days and NO PAID VACATION. Our district is awesome because we teach with no vacation days, no “teacher days”, and short vacation (Thanksgiving 3 days, Christmas begins on the 21st and ends on the 2nd). If states really want to improve the instruction, make payroll a mandatory 85% of district school revenue and make pay merit based.


68 posted on 05/30/2012 4:53:49 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: LibertarianLiz

“I am assuming that you are speaking of “right to work” states. I guess I never thought about the impact on “public” unions, I always think of that in terms of private companies. So, in a “right to work” state, the state CAN fire an incompetent teacher after three warnings? “

Not necessarily 3 warnings- in NC we get put on an “action” plan for a school year and then canned if there is no “improvement”. Tenure here is just automatic contract renewal if the administration doesn’t deem a teacher as a problem.


69 posted on 05/30/2012 6:10:49 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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