Posted on 05/23/2012 12:55:05 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
African, Dutch speak in Kenya.
“If the elected officials in Hawaii are all Democrats, why is it so hard to believe that they are lying to protect their President?”
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At the time the 2007 COLB was issued, and for that matter all through the 2008 election, the governor of Hawaii was Linda Lingle, a Republican. She and members of her administration were the first Hawaiian officials to debunk the birther claims.
‘“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawai’i Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”’
Don’t get me wrong — I’m sure you’ll say they’re lying too. I just wanted to point out that it’s not just Democrats.
McCain and Lindsey Graham are Republicans. Big whoop.
Romney was a Republican governor of MA surrounded by Dems. I lived there during his tenure. I do not recall a single instance in which he challenged the dominant party. He went along w them in increasing taxes [mostly he called them ‘fees’, but that is just sleight of hand] and in growing the debt and growing the state government.
Republicans in Dem dominated states are not known for bucking the power structure. Unless Lingle developed a reputation for taking the fight to the Dems and getting in their faces, it’s unsurprising that she would toe the Dem party line.
Don’t bother with ‘shoop’ - he is being a DELIBERATE moron (one who willingly accepts the stupid, when it supports a desired point of view)
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
He hears perfectly good (and correct) imaging facts and dismesses them as ‘weak’ (a fact is not strong or weak it is a fact)
He still swallows the “OCR” idiotic argument - the lamest attempt of them all.
The OCR argument was first put forth by an idiot who made a youtube showing how he used Obama;s BC to make OCR- except, when he ‘processed’ the image it showed the green paper UNDER the OCR removed text. -ooopsie ~!! How would the OCR software know what was UNDER some printing? (in other words, he was LYING)
“McCain and Lindsey Graham are Republicans. Big whoop.”
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Of course, and if you read my post again, you’ll see that I was not offering Lingle’s or Okubo’s statements as proof of the President’s birthplace.
I was simply pointing out, in contradiction to Crusher138’s statement, that it’s not just Democrats who are willing to rely on the validity of Hawaii’s official records, and Ken Bennett is a recent further indication of that.
Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle declares Obama born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Hawaii, Got Two Different Hospitals!?"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said, referring to the continuing controversy over the disputed natural-born citizenship of Obama. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."
Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.
At the time of the 2008 election, the release featured the state's director of health, Chiyome Fukino, who said: "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii."
So which one is lying, Fukino or Lingle?
“When controversial issues arise and facts need to be determined, one looks to sources that are not closely associated with either side of the controversy.” - BigGuy22
“So which one is lying, Fukino or Lingle?”
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My guess is that Lingle misspoke about the press release, thinking erroneously that it included the name of the hospital. That strikes me as a logical conclusion, but obviously others view the situation differently.
Well turns out you're not a disinterested party either. You're a known Obama shill. So nothing you say counts for a hill of beans. haha
Hoisted on your own petard. Don't you just hate when that happens?
Bwaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!! What a clown!
“Well turns out you’re not a disinterested party either.”
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LOL, that’s one of the silliest, weakest arguments I’ve heard, even from you!
I rejected Zullo as a “reliable source,” and I don’t hold myself out as one either. You’ll notice, for example, I made it clear that I have no personal knowledge about where Pres. Obama was born, or about why Linda Lingle said incorrectly that the name of the hospital was in the press release.
Don’t confuse a blog poster with a reliable source of information. Why don’t you use your trusty “BING” to see what the phrase “reliable source” means?
Did a disinterested party just speak?
No?
Didn’t think so.
Then I’d better not read the comments. They are useless.
hahaha
Did you cite Gov. Lingle as a source or not?
“...it was just some honest mistake.”
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I said that was my guess. Of course you are free to differ. Maybe Republican governor Linda Lingle deliberately said that the name of the hospital was in the press release even though it wasn’t, although it strikes me as odd that she would lie about something like that. What’s the advantage? As we’ve seen, the LFBC does indeed say that the hospital was Kapiolani; the error concerned whether they had previously released that information.
If that strikes you as evidence of a lie, you are certainly entitled to your opinion — I have no strong feelings about it either way, and certainly no independent source of information.
You have an awfully short fuse, don’t you! That can’t be good for you.
“Did you cite Gov. Lingle as a source or not?”
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I cited her statement to support my assertion that not only Democrats say that the President was born in Hawaii.
Don’t you think her statement supports that assertion?
“Then I’d better not read the comments. They are useless.”
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They are useless as independent sources. If I need to cite a source, I will do so, and then you can decide if I’ve chosen a reliable one.
What’s the problem? Are you still having trouble figuring out what “reliable source” means? Pretending you don’t know the difference between the person you’re talking to and the sources of information that people rely on makes you look terribly dense.
A short fuse? Not really. It takes some really amazing stupidity to get me laughing this hard. Thanks! Laughter is the best medicine. ;^) ROTFLOL
This is honestly not meant to be a mean or snarky post. But may I ask you, a little off topic, one question? Has it ever been said of you, ‘he looks like 10 miles of bad road’?
I know that sounds like an unkind question. But I’ve seen that exact thing said about a couple of particular ‘big guys’. I’m wondering if you’re one of them.
“This is honestly not meant to be a mean or snarky post.”
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No snark taken, I assure you. But as usual I am taken with your determination to avoid the questions you’ve been asked by trying to change the subject.
Here is Abercrombie in actual quotes:
“Pressed on whether he might unilaterally release a copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate, Abercrombie made clear that he is waiting for his cabinet officials to give him a report on what he can legally do before proceeding.”
“”Obviously, I’m going to do what is legally possible,” the governor said.”
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/27/governor-vows-to-end-birther-controversy/
He never says he is going to release the BC.
“A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.”
“(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)”
“It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...”
“...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.”
http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20110118_This_is_a_collaborative_endeavor.html?id=114049174
Even the reporteer says that Abercrombie is talking about the State Archives not the DOH.
“State Attorney General David Louie told the governor he can’t disclose an individual’s birth documentation without a person’s consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said.”
“”There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz. “Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.””
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/114401004.html?id=114401004
Abercrombie finds out he cannot legally release the BC.
Here is what Mike Evans told FOX
“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.”
Last week’s radio interview was part of Evans’ syndicated five-minute feature, “On the Road with Mike Evans,” which is broadcast on 34 stations across the country each morning.
On the morning of Jan. 20, Evans says he accidentally told one of those radio stations — KQRS — that he’d spoken directly with Gov. Abercrombie about the Obama birth certificate.
“I was on 34 radio stations that morning. That was the only station where I said, instead of saying ‘the hospital said there’s no birth certificate’ I misspoke and said Neil said that,” Evans said. “I misspoke and I apologize for that. I apologize to Neil.”
Governor Jindal’s parents were in the United States on student visas. He was born 6 months after they arrived.
At the moment of his birth were they committed to staying in the United States?
Senator Rubio’s parents returned on several occasions in the 1960’s to Cuba.
“My parents are from Cuba. After arriving in the United States, they had always hoped to one day return to Cuba if things improved and traveled there several times. In 1961, my mother and older siblings did in fact return to Cuba while my father stayed behind wrapping up the family’s matters in the U.S. After just a few weeks living there, she fully realized the true nature of the direction Castro was taking Cuba and returned to the United States one month later, never to return,”
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/20/news/la-pn-rubio-family-history-20111020
If the Bay of Pigs had been successful would they have returned to Cuba? Is that why they waited so long to naturalize?
The questions do not matter.
Both Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are “natural born Citizens”. Just as the Founder’s intended.
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