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To: JAKraig
I have no problem with the Grace of Christ, the claim that the Gift of Jesus Christ on the cross paid for all sin, nor even the statement that no amount of good works will get us into heaven because we are all imperfect and sin at some time.

My problem is with the extreme Gracers who think and even declare that as long as you utter the right words of belief, you are guaranteed a reserved seat in heaven even if you go on to murder, pillage, lie and commit any combination of reprehensible acts.

IOW, God expects you to do what you reasonably can do even if your good works are only 0.0001% of the equation. James 2:14-20 is every much as part of the Bible as John 3:16.

Accordingly, people who blame God for the sins of a sinner are copping out, just as much as the so-called Christians who used their faith as an excuse to kill Native Americans, justify slavery or expel or marginalize believers who didn't buy into their particular brand of Christianity. Rev. Wright and the Taliban Gracers are prime examples of the later.

30 posted on 05/03/2012 8:59:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

While God justifies the UN-Godly by God-given repentant Abrahamic-type faith, (Rm. 4:5) and is nigh unto them who are of a broken heart and saving those who are of a contrite spirit, (Ps. 34:18) it is manifest that the “kind” of faith that appropriates justification is one that will effect characteristic obedience toward its Object, the Lord Jesus, including repentance when convicted of sin.

Thus some who were saved could include those who were used to be practicing drunkards, homosexuals, etc. (1Cor. 1Cor. 9-11) while the sins of the heart are the more difficult to overcome by grace.

And contrary to the charges of some, Protestant Reformers preached that the faith that saves was not a faith that was alone: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Reformation_faith_works.html

The reason the homosexual issue draws so much attention today, or ought to, is not only due to its unnatural nature, but because it is being promoted as good, which prevents deliverance.

Prohomosexual polemics are extensively examined and dealt with here: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.html


56 posted on 05/05/2012 3:37:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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