Vital Records Indicate Obama Not Born In Hawaii Hospital (PART 3)

thedailypen.blogspot.com ^ | 3/12/2012 | Penbrook Johannson and Daniel Crosby

[Seizethecarp]

“I have to think that Obama’s marriage to Kesia was the false one, done to protect her from Muslim justice for having gotten with child out of wedlock.

“Its possible.”

The non-Muslim traditional tribal marriage that Kezia describes in the Daily Mail article conforms exactly with the Wiki description of Luo religion and marriage customs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506338/Barack-Obamas-stepmother-living-Bracknell-reveals-close-bond-—mother.html

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“Barack was also worried about what his father would think because I was so young, but he gave us his approval. He sent my mother and father 14 cows for my dowry.
“Barack’s father was only a cook so it was a big sacrifice. Very soon after, we were married.”

That was January 1957. Kezia and Barack Snr set up home in Jericho, a section of Nairobi created for government employees, and began a family.

First son Roy was born in March 1958. Kezia insisted: “Barack was a good husband.”

It was not long before Barack’s potential was noticed by his employees and he was offered a scholarship to the US.

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What multiple marriages there were among the Luo and I believe in the BHO Sr.-Kezia case were NOT Muslim but tribal. The baby boys were NOT circumcised, as is the Muslim custom. There is a sect begun in 1907 that is a mash-up of Christianity, Islam and tribal customs but would not be recognized as Islam or Sharia-following by Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_people_of_Kenya_and_Tanzania

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Religious customs

Like many ethnic communities in Uganda, including the Baganda, Langi, Acholi, and Alur, the Luo do not practice the ritual circumcision of males as initiation. Instead, children formerly had their six lower front teeth removed at an initiation. This ritual has largely fallen out of use.

In 1907, Johanna Owalo formed the first African independent church in Kenya called Nomiya or “the mission i was given”. Nomiya church is a mixture of Christian, Islam and traditional African religious doctrines. The church practices circumcision for male children at the age of 8 days and they pray facing north. The church currently has a following of 800,000 in the Nyanza region. Other local churches include Legio Maria, Roho and Fwenya among others.

Marriage customs

Historically, couples were introduced to each other by matchmakers, but this is not common now. Like many other communities in Kenya, marriage among the Luo at the moment is fast becoming westernized and people are moving away from the traditional way of doing things. The Luo frequently marry outside the tribe. The traditional marriage ceremony takes place in two parts, both involving the payment of a bride price by the groom. The first ceremony, the Ayie, involves a payment of money to the mother of the bride; the second stage involves giving cattle to her father. Often these two steps are carried out at the same time, and, as many modern Luos are Christians, a church ceremony often follows. If the husband should die during the marriage, it is customary for the brother to act as a replacement.

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Remember that BHO Sr. was an atheist and communist. His father only converted away from the tribal religion and became Muslim to spite the Christian British whom he loathed after being tortured for aiding the Mau Mau.

BHO Sr. went to an Anglican school that only accepted Christians and taught Chrisitanity and he was assisted in Nairobi with his high school education by Christian Missionaries.

BHO Sr. and Kezia were living openly as legal husband and wife in Nairobi with his infant son before leaving for the US.

BHO Sr. asked Tom Mboya to provide support for his “wife” in Nairobi.

Kezia didn't raise her own son Muslim and neither did Ruth.

There is not a trace on the part of BHO Sr. of Muslim upbringing, marriage, observance, raising sons in Islam in any of this.

So I would say, no, there is no possibility that the Marriage to Kezia was a false one to protect her from Muslim justice for having a child out of wedlock.

[DiogenesLamp]

The United States did not recognize polygamy in 1961.

I may be mistaken about this, but I don't think marriage is a federal issue. I think it is a state issue. If RXSID is correct about this, Hawaii may have had no law against it. Is there a Federal law against polygamy? And if so, what is it's basis in Constitutional authorization?

[Danae]

Well, it would not be the first time someone hid behind the law.

[charlene4]

Don't know HI laws. In Oh through most of the 70’s if you had lived with a person and held out as married, if one party to the arrangement choose to , they could file and be granted a divorce. No Wedding having ever taken place, we called it Common Law Marriage. I have wondered if that isn't what happened with bari SR and sad?????

[charlene4]

Don't know HI laws. In Oh through most of the 70’s if you had lived with a person and held out as married, if one party to the arrangement choose to , they could file and be granted a divorce. No Wedding having ever taken place, we called it Common Law Marriage. I have wondered if that isn't what happened with bari SR and sad?????

[DiogenesLamp]

Perhaps you'd consider continue reading. The author was corrected on that point yesterday, by Beckwith, and accepted it:

"Beckwith Mar 13, 2012 03:21 PM John McCain was NOT born in the Panama Canal Zone as stated in this article.

John Sidney McCain III was born at the Colon Hospital, located at Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon, Republic of Panama. The time of birth on the birth certificate issued by Panama Railroad Company (that owned the Colon Hospital) was 5:25 PM and the day and date of birth was Saturday, August 29, 1936"

On what basis does beckwith say this? My understanding is that allegations that John McCain was born in Colon are FALSE, and that this is an internet meme which was spread by Liberals in an effort to undermine his legitimacy. There is a FALSE birth certificate floating around, which is purported to be John McCain's birth certificate, but it is purportedly a FAKE.

Did I say *A* false birth certificate? Apparently there are two of them.

On the other hand, we have a few bits of proof to show that McCain was NOT born in Colon, but rather that he was born on the Coco Solo Naval base. According to this article, John McCain has NOT RELEASED his birth certificate, but he HAS shown it to a reporter.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/mccain_irvine_2.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/mccain_announcement_041708.pdf

If some information is not correct, we ought to make efforts to find out what *IS* correct. If someone has any proof that McCain was NOT born on the Coco Solo Naval base, then they should show it.

[DiogenesLamp]

What possible motive would BHO Sr., who was dead broke, have for asking Mboya to look after his wife back in Kenya it he had been divorced in Kenya? Mboya, his fellow tribesman, would almost certainly have known whether BHO Sr. was married to Kezia or not.

And this is a point that doesn't seem to be sinking in in some circles. Barack Obama sr was DEAD BROKE. How does he pay for pleasure travel (for himself and Stanley Ann) back and forth to Kenya when he couldn't even pay to fly himself over here in the first place?

I'm not suggesting that you are advocating that he did, but I wanted to take the opportunity of your comment to point out that this is a SERIOUS problem with any "born in Kenya" theory.

[DiogenesLamp]

There’s much in what you say that makes sense, and one thing in particular stands out; she couldn’t take him anywhere or be party to an adoption without custody. AND THE DIVORCE GAVE HER THAT. It also made the ‘birthdate’ official. In the absence of a birth certificate - that was all she had.

Why did you not agree with the plausibility of this scenario when *I* mentioned it? This is exactly one of the points I was trying to get at when I said I thought Obama had been adopted.

[bgill]

Great minds!

[Seizethecarp]

Upthread the federal law was posted. Remember that Utah wasn’t allowed to become a state until it agreed to pass an anti-plural marriage law meeting federal requirements.

[DiogenesLamp]

Upthread the federal law was posted. Remember that Utah wasn’t allowed to become a state until it agreed to pass an anti-plural marriage law meeting federal requirements.

Yeah, I saw that later. I also remembered about Utah, but I got to thinking by what Constitutional Authority is the Federal Government empowered to regulate marriage or any other Issue not within the province of a FEDERAL mandate?

I think that a Federal Law regarding marriage is an overreach of Federal power. (Of Course, now days, Federal Overreach is the norm, not the exception.)

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out to me.

[DiogenesLamp]

:)

[Seizethecarp]

IMO it doesn't matter whether McCain was born on or off the base. The Canal Zone was leased and was always Panamanian sovereign soil, just like all US foreign bases.

John McCain was not even made a citizen as of the time of his birth until a retroactive act of Congress was passed two years (IIRC) after he was born. It did not matter where in Panama he was born in 1936, he wasn't a citizen at birth, period, and could not possibly be a natural born citizen, IMO, under MvH. IMO, McCain was a unitary Panamanian citizen at birth and then two years later became a statutory citizen at birth retroactively...thus becoming a dual citizen at age two or thereabouts.

Unlike Barry, McCain's father was an active duty officer and it “offended the conscience” of legislators not to regard the child of such an officer to be NBC, but it didn't offend them so much as to amend the Constitution when they had the chance on numerous occasion.

[Seizethecarp]

“And this is a point that doesn't seem to be sinking in in some circles. Barack Obama Sr was DEAD BROKE. How does he pay for pleasure travel (for himself and Stanley Ann) back and forth to Kenya when he couldn't even pay to fly himself over here in the first place?”

I expect that BHO Sr.’s sponsors (parents, missionaries, Cora Weiss, Tom Mboya, KGB?) would give him just enough to meet his expenses and no more while in school, just as any good parent/guardian/sponsor would do to encourage him to focus on his studies.

I am keeping my own son that same age on exactly that short leash.

However, just as with my son, if an emergency arises that might threaten his ability to stay in school, I have substantial resources that I can use to “rescue” him if he gets into trouble (without creating a moral hazard of enabling bad behavior, of course).

Two such emergency or special occasions in 1961 warranting the production of extra funds for BHO Sr. and/or SADO to return to Kenya come to mind out of the pockets of his sponsors.

First, SADO getting pregnant and the bigamous marriage was fraught with legal and reputational peril to BHO Sr.’s educational plans. Senior was supposed to be studying but he was banging coeds and putting the large sunk cost of his backers at risk. In 1961 a black man getting an under-age white girl pregnant in or out of wedlock could get Senior thrown out of college, deported or worse and eventually did get him deported (suspicion of sham bigamous marriage to obtain immigrant status clearly in INS FOIA docs).

So to avoid losing their sunk cost in Senior and his promise as a future leader in Kenya, the sponsors would be highly motivated to spend money Senor wouldn't normally have access to to “get rid” of the problem marriage and pregnancy. What better way than to make the problem “disappear” by removing SADO from HI first to Kenya and subsequently to WA? Only SADO need go to Kenya to solve this problem, perhaps sending her to the waiting arms of the missionary ladies who partially sponsored Senior. Or it could have even been Frank M. Davis a high level KGB operative who would not have wanted FBI to have ammunition to go after him or Senior whom I also believe was KGB in training (big Marxist while in HI and back in Kenya).

Second, there were momentous historic events back in in the summer of 1961, IIRC. Senior, as a Kenyan princeling, might well have been invited back with SADO to participate in celebrating the release of Kenyatta from prison by the British signaling capitulation to eventual Kenyan independence and a ticket ruling perks for members of the elite of the Luo Tribe.

[DiogenesLamp]

IMO it doesn't matter whether McCain was born on or off the base. The Canal Zone was leased and was always Panamanian sovereign soil, just like all US foreign bases.

I agree it doesn't matter, but if something is not true, we should not be spreading it. I've presented what I regard as decent evidence that McCain was NOT born in Colon. If someone has decent evidence that he WAS born in Colon, I would like to see it. I would like to know which is true and which is false, but as you have mentioned, it really doesn't make any difference at this point.

I just want Freepers to be regarded as credible when we say something.

[DiogenesLamp]

Oh, by the way, I found this today. You might have already seen it, but I thought it was interesting non the less.

It's from the Boston-Globe 1896.

[Fred Nerks]

Keep in mind that the educational background for the kenyan has him at the school in Maseno until he was about 17, local reports have him married at 18, and Maseno taught such useful things as tailoring and carpentry as well as english and science...and then, in 1959 he shows up in Hawaii and at his first interview claims to have a degree in business administration.
In that same article the interviewer in Hawaii writes that the kenyan said he had not been back to Kenyan for seven years.
Locals say that he left Kenya after leaving Maseno, that he went to the US, worked for an oil company and married a white woman named Anna.
There’s more missing in that story than just if he was married to Kezia or not, or who the father of her children was.
We have also ‘lost’ the elder brother with whom he went to school, who was mentioned in one article on a Kenya website (IMAGE REMOVED) as a slight man with a moustache...IN A RECENT ARTICLE.

[Fred Nerks]

...Why did you not agree with the plausibility of this scenario when *I* mentioned it? This is exactly one of the points I was trying to get at when I said I thought Obama had been adopted.

My speculation: she couldn't be party to any adoption unless she had custody, she didn't have a birth certificate with her name on it as mother, so all she had to show was the divorce document. It's called adoption fraud through divorce, I believe. And I do not recall you even suggesting that. And that of course leads TO the question : was there a bc with the divorce documents? Probably, but it's been removed, page 11 might have been the request for it, just as page 7 was a request for items to do with the mailing and return of the documents. (IIRC)

[Fred Nerks]

...Second, there were momentous historic events back in in the summer of 1961, IIRC. Senior, as a Kenyan princeling, might well have been invited back with SADO to participate in celebrating the release of Kenyatta from prison by the British signaling capitulation to eventual Kenyan independence and a ticket ruling perks for members of the elite of the Luo Tribe.

Jomo Kenyatta was born Kamau wa Ngengi to parents Ngengi wa Muigai and Wambui in the village of Gatundu, in British East Africa (now Kenya), a member of the Kikuyu...

On 28 Feb 1960, a public meeting of 25,000 in Nairobi demanded his release. On 15 April 1960, over a million signatures for a plea to release him were presented to the Governor. On 14 May 1960, he was elected Kanu President in absentia. On 23 Mar 1961, Kenyan leaders, including Daniel arap Moi, later his long time Vice President and successor as president, visited him at Lodwar. On 11 Apr 1961, he was moved to Maralal with daughter Margaret where he met world press for the first time in eight years. On 14 Aug 1961, he was released and brought to Gatundu to a hero's welcome.

[Seizethecarp]

The Luo shared power until 1966. The Luo leader in 1961 elected to take the VP slot. Kenyatta's release was well anticipated at least as early as April of 1961, as your source stated. He began entertaining foreign dignitaries while still under "arrest" pending his full release in August. There was time for an exited nationalist Kenyan to have wanted a son or grandson to be born on Kenyan soil, perhaps even imagining independence on Kenyatta's release. All speculative, of course, but my Luo comments are backed up, IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_people_of_Kenya_and_Tanzania

The Luo are the third largest ethnic group (13%) in Kenya, after the Kikuyu (22%) and the Luhya (14%). The Luo and the Kikuyu inherited the bulk of political power in the first years following Kenya's independence in 1963.

Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963. Oginga Odinga, a prominent Luo leader, declined the presidency of Kenya, preferring to assume the vice presidency with Jomo Kenyatta as the head of government. Their administration represented the Kenya African National Union (KANU) party. However, differences with Jomo Kenyatta caused Oginga to defect from the party and abandon the vice presidency in 1966. His departure caused the Luo to become politically marginalized under the Kenyatta and subsequently the Moi administrations.