If Egypt 'reviews' Camp David, the 'land for peace' paradigm will be over

Israel Matzav ^ | 3/1/12 | Carl in Jerusalem

[Nachum]

There is only one working example of the 'land for peace' paradigm, and that's Israel's treaty with Egypt. Evelyn Gordon writes that if the Camp David treaty is 'reviewed' (or worse), Israel will never take the risk again.

Territorial handovers to the Palestinians under the Oslo Accords in the 1990s, for instance, produced not peace, but a massive increase in terror. In the first two and a half years after Oslo was signed in1993, Palestinians killed more Israelis than in the entire preceding decade, while the first four years of the second intifada (2000-2004) produced more terror-related casualties than the entire preceding 53 years.

In May 2000, Israelis expected their UN-certified pullout from every inch of Lebanon to eliminate Hezbollah's motivation for war. Instead, Hezbollah escalated, committing its first ever cross-border kidnapping just five months later. In 2006, another such kidnapping sparked the Second Lebanon War.

Similarly, Israel's unilateral pullout from Gaza in mid-2005 produced nothing but a dramatic escalation in rocket and mortar fire on southern Israel. Rocket launches alone jumped from 475 in 2001-04 to 5,765 in 2006-10, or from about 120 a year to about 1,150 a year - an almost tenfold increase.

[Williams]

I think there is a big difference between threatening to cancel the agreements, and actually going to war with Israel.

America should essentially call Egypt’s bluff. The Egyptians know they can lose everything in a new conflict.

[JerseyHighlander]

If oil and grain commdities prices keep at current levels or rise any more, Egypt will not be able to feed it’s population as soon as June, at which point whoever is foolish enough to call themselves “in charge” will have to scrap the wheat subsidy, ....

It’s going to be a very very ugly summer in Egypt, and here’s hoping the powers that be in Egypt don’t try to use the old trick to rally against the external enemy to blunt criticism of the complete collapse of Egypt’s food security.

[GonzoGOP]

The Egyptians know they can lose everything in a new conflict.

No they don't! Anyone under 40 doesn't remember the 1973 war. Egyptians born after that date have been feed non stop propaganda calling the war a great victory. They are seeing radical Islam victorious on all fronts. America is being driven from Iraq and Afghanistan in disgrace. Sure it is not because of military force but because of political stupidity, but the mosque educated rabble of Egypt don't know that.

What Egyptians under 40 know is that there are more of them than they are Israelis. What Egyptians under 40 know is that Israel is surrounded and has no friends. What Egyptians under 40 know is that they control the UN and that there will be no intervention if they win and instant intervention if things go against them. What Egyptians under 40 know is that they are backed by nearly unlimited Saudi and Iranian money. What Egyptians under 40 know above all else is that Allah is on their side.

There is an old saying that it isn't what you don't know that will kill you. What gets you into trouble is what you are certain of that just isn't so.

[pallis]

You can trade land for land, or peace for peace, but you can’t trade land for peace. The Islamic despots get the land, but no one gets the peace.

[Publius6961]

America should essentially call Egypt’s bluff. The Egyptians know they can lose everything in a new conflict.

I hope permanently this time. All of the Sinai, the entire Suez canal and a 10-mile safety zone west of the canal.

Enough is enough.

The Eve of Destruction, Howard Blum, Harper Collins, 2003
The untold story of the October 6, 1973 Yom Kippur War.
First time in history that the winner of a war willingly gave back territory won at the price of national wealth and blood.

[Publius6961]

What Egyptians under 40 know is that there are more of them than they are Israelis. What Egyptians under 40 know is that Israel is surrounded and has no friends. What Egyptians under 40 know is that they control the UN and that there will be no intervention if they win and instant intervention if things go against them. What Egyptians under 40 know is that they are backed by nearly unlimited Saudi and Iranian money. What Egyptians under 40 know above all else is that Allah is on their side.

What Egyptians under 40 don't know is that Egypt and Syria suffered some 15,000 combat deaths during the three-week conflict. Israel suffered 2688 combat deaths ...

A 6 to 1 : advantage to the winner in numbers but unsustainable proportionally to keep playing that muslim game forever.
At one time someone estimated that if the Chinese invaded anyone, they could sustain 20,000 death casualties every day --- forever.

The Koranimals are not too far behind.