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Am I To Understand That Value Voters Are Being Rejected By the Republican Party?
jenkuznicki.com ^ | 2/21/12 | Jen Kuznicki

Posted on 02/21/2012 3:58:39 PM PST by jenk

Thanks to Professor Jacobsen of Legal Insurrection and Dan Riehl of Riehl World View for their timely and informative posts.

First of all, I'll share a conversation I had with a Democrat in Michigan yesterday.

She asked me why she had only heard of Rick Santorum within the past week. I answered that because of party politics and money-on-hand of the candidates other than Romney, the rest of the candidates are having a difficult time getting their name across. "Well, I don't like that Romney, he's buying the election," she said, "and I'd vote for Santorum but everything about him sounds so negative." (Romney is outspending on negative ads 3:1.) "I like his talk about being pro-life, and the problems with free everything." she admitted.

I encouraged her to vote in the Republican Primary, since in Michigan, you don't have to be a Republican to vote for the Republican nominee.

I have family who are dyed-in-the-wool Democrats who are Catholic and understand where Santorum is coming from.

That said, I'm a conservative and I refuse to accept the unholy alliance between the establishment and the Ron Paul faction who are saying that social conservatives cannot win. I've had it.

Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, and the Republican establishment types who continually make fun of value voters had better listen up.

Everywhere in this great country of ours, in little tiny towns and villages and rural areas, live people who have actual sense in their heads. They are the people who have so far picked Rick in Missouri, Minnesota, Iowa, and Colorado. We, not DC, make this beautiful country work. We are patriotic, open-minded, pragmatic, sensible people, who know the great dangers this country is facing. It is not accurate to say that the tea party only represents fiscal responsibility. The tea party, and those who will vote in droves against this President, know the peril the country is facing.

Does the Republican Party think that without touching on the cultural decay of our country, all at the hands of liberals, they will be able to win in November? Perhaps. I have seen the friendliness of local Republicans toward liberal Democrats who have said, "I used to be a Republican, until they started in with the social issues." It is as if the Republican Party would rather have liberals in the party to replace the value voters.

It seems to me that the attacks on Rick Santorum for actually naming the culprits, is being thrown overboard, for the Republican Party's assinine attempt to bring liberals and neo-liberals, (Ron Paul types) into the party with seats at the table and notebooks in hand.

Rubin calls Santorum a reactionary. That word was used by the liberal media to describe Michele Bachmann. We are now on our way to call Santorum a crazy, who says crazy things, like they did Bachmann, and I've had enough of it.

Liberals like Rubin use the tactics of the radical left, who are completely and totally interested in controlling every aspect of our lives, in order to argue for a modest correction or a finessed outcome. Consider the phony science of global warming, the lies of when life begins, the idea that competition is a bad thing, the equality of outcomes, the replacement of religion with science, and the disgusting attempts to silence dissent. Jennifer and the liberals use approved rhetoric in order to persuade people to vote against conservatism, or to not vote at all, thereby acting as accomplices to the destruction of the nation.

Dunderheads like Jennifer Rubin don't believe in the goodness of the individual, and when people like her make fun of those who believe in God and spirituality, it is because she does not understand. I want to help her understand.

People of faith are the only people who keep this country going. You needn't worry about your life, because I guarantee you, hundreds of thousands of prayers are being sent up to God on your behalf. To have faith in God, you must have faith in yourself. If you have faith in yourself, you will work to provide the necessities of you and your family. Family is the only rock upon which this nation can stand. And it's all because of God's love for us.

The reason Santorum is getting flogged for his beliefs is because all of the previous paragraph has become a "quaint" way to describe an America that the establishment thinks is gone, and is never coming back.

But the heartland is not the only place you will find people of faith. The truth is, every city in America has individuals who believe in what is right, good and true. It is too bad that people like Jennifer Rubin never seem to run in to enough of them to be able to form an opinion of the nation she lives in.

There is nothing Rick Santorum has said concerning the decay of our culture that does not resonate with people of faith. It is only the liberals, the establishment, and phony conservatives, including Rubin and the Ron Paul followers, who want to isolate and denigrate people of faith.

So far, and I'm holding out for some good news, but so far, if these attacks on faith and values do not end, the Republican Party is on the path to destruction.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: republicanparty; rubin; santorum; socialissues; valuesvoters; valuevoters
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1 posted on 02/21/2012 3:58:48 PM PST by jenk
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To: jenk; All
For those who haven't been around FR very long, take it from an old timer: The battle between Social Conservatives and little (l)ibertarians has been going on since this site first opened it's doors. The fights have been heated, to say the least.

That said, each side has always wanted to win their way. And, each side has always known they could not win without the other. Each of us represents about 35% of the base GOP electorate.

If either one pulls out, we all lose.

Our challenge has always been and will continue to be how to find accommodation. This time the little l's settled in on Gingrich. The Socons on Santorum. We don't like the other side's candidate.

At least THIS time we still have a choice on the eve of Super Tuesday.

That's progress folks. Celebrate that, then get back in the ring and kick each others' ass.

2 posted on 02/21/2012 4:17:44 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: jenk

Conservatives need to understand that moderate Republicans do not think abortion and teaching homosexuality in schools, and passing condoms out in schools are bad things. They are actively against us on the social issues and find it embarrassing to be associated with people who think they are important.

This is a cultural thing—the establishment R’s went to the right schools and know that their friends and profs there would make fun of them if they even trod in those areas. The social pressure in the ruling class to conform in the key cultural areas is almost overwhelming. They would, quite literally, lose almost all their friends and business associates if they went off the reservation. Look what happened to the poor moderate R lady at Komen.

Culturally, conservatives and blue collar dems have a lot more in common with each other than conservatives do with the establishment R’s. Similarly, establishment R’s have much more in common with Barak Obama than they do with us.


3 posted on 02/21/2012 4:20:11 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: jenk
Oh, and the Ron Paul types are not liberals. Far from it.

Fiscally they are FAR more conservative than Republicans.

They are classic big (L)ibertarians. Some of the small l's went over, but they'll be back as soon as Paul is out.

4 posted on 02/21/2012 4:25:46 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: jenk

The Pro-Life message Santorum is delivering is very important!

It WILL NOT help him get elected President!

Get on Obama’s case and STAY THERE!


5 posted on 02/21/2012 4:26:32 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: G Larry

say what?


6 posted on 02/21/2012 4:50:35 PM PST by jenk (The country needs Sarah Palin and the Constitution.)
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To: Mariner
I am a socon backing Newt.

I love his intellect, spine and fighting spirit.

The religious establishment backed the Ned Flanders/Mr Rogers nice guy sweater vest wuss.

That is not what social conservatism is to me.

Newt has a few warts but he is a fighter.

We need a fighter, not Joel Osteen.

This is a war for the soul of our nation.

War is not for the faint of heart.

7 posted on 02/21/2012 4:54:57 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: G Larry

Only real Christ morality will save this country. People with your opinion are the real enemy of this country.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 4:56:31 PM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: ModelBreaker

Similarly, establishment R’s have much more in common with Barak Obama than they do with us.

Exactly, that’s why the establishment’s candidate always looks like Obama’s philosophical first cousin.


9 posted on 02/21/2012 4:59:31 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: G Larry; Admin Moderator
The Pro-Life message Santorum is delivering is very important! It WILL NOT help him get elected President! Get on Obama’s case and STAY THERE!
10 posted on 02/21/2012 5:02:33 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mariner

What is l(L?)ibertarian about forcing employers to pay for birth control?


11 posted on 02/21/2012 5:35:56 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: bmwcyle

“Only real Christ morality will save this country. People with your opinion are the real enemy of this country.”

Think it over, bmw boy!

I agree with you and Christian morality, but nothing is worse that a big government politician using social conservatism to enrich himself.

Did Santorum ever do anything illegal? Yes. He founded a charity which didn’t register with the state of Pennsylvania as required under that state’s law.

Senator Santorum founded the Operation Good Neighbor Foundation, a charity that was actually a bit of a scam. In 2001, following up on a faith-based urban charity initiative around the 2000 GOP convention in Philadelphia, Santorum launched a charitable foundation. While in its first few years the charity cut checks to community groups for $474,000, Operation Good Neighbor Foundation had actually raised more than $1 million, from donors who overlapped with Santorum’s political fund raising. Where did the majority of the charity’s money go?

In salary and consulting fees to a network of politically connected lobbyists, aides and fundraisers, including rent and office payments to Santorum’s finance director Rob Bickhart, later finance chair of the Republican National Committee.

This charity (2001-07), doled out just 36% of income as grants, far less than the 75% of responsible causes. It can only be coincidence the charity which spent most of its money on lobbyists, aides and fundraisers closed after he was defeated for reelection in 2006.

Note: my file on Santorum is now 24 pages long. This is really sad, and most Republicans are getting suckered into believing this man is decent when he is actually two-faced.

Be that as it may, my vote will go the Republican candidate whoever it is because removing BHO2 - a truly evil man - from the White House must be our common goal. Hard as it is to vote for someone I perceive as dishonest, I will vote for Santorum if he is the Republican candidate.

When a middle-class citizen is elected to Congress and returns home 12 plus years later a multi-millionaire, it is due to corruption in government.

We have to change Washington in order to get our nation back on the right track. Unfortunately I believe Santorum will not do anything of the kind.

However, I am a Conservative Republican who will vote for all other Republicans. My vote goes to boot BHO2 out of the White House!


12 posted on 02/21/2012 6:15:26 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: sportutegrl
"What is l(L?)ibertarian about forcing employers to pay for birth control?"

Non sequitor

No GOP candidate advocates that, though I THINK Romney supported it at the state level.

13 posted on 02/21/2012 6:56:48 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

>Oh, and the Ron Paul types are not liberals. Far from it.
>Fiscally they are FAR more conservative than Republicans.
>They are classic big (L)ibertarians. Some of the small l’s went over, but they’ll be back as soon as Paul is out.

On that note, I found what has to date been the best* political ad/promo this election cycle while browsing youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXjfvyNnLYI&feature=related

* It is a little long, but gets the point across pretty well.


14 posted on 02/21/2012 7:13:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ModelBreaker

What you say is true for a segment of Republicans who are not social conservatives. However their is another segment who do not trust social conservatives for another reason. As you say social conservatives and blue collar dems have a lot in common, we suspect in economics also. Free market conservatives do not want a candidate who is socially conservative but populist in his economic policy. Kind of like a 1930’s style New Deal Democrat. I do not want a socially conservative hand in my pocket no more than a liberal democrats hand.


15 posted on 02/21/2012 7:38:17 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

“Free market conservatives do not want a candidate who is socially conservative but populist in his economic policy.”

Fair enough in theory. But in general, if you look for reliable votes on cutting deficits and spending, look for social conservatives. It’s easy to talk about being a fiscal conservative. Most RINO’s do. Heck, even Zero has given “fiscal conservative” speeches.

OTOH, being a social conservative makes you a pariah in many places. So social conservatives have actually proven they will take ridicule and accusations of extremism to stand for what they believe in. The overwhelming majority of social conservatives are also fiscal conservatives. And they are more reliable voters in congress for fiscal conservatism than a lot of the folks thumping their chests about it because they are used to taking brickbats for their votes.

If by “populist,” you mean old-fashioned class warfare, I’m with you. But today, we have an entrenched ruling class that is most generously labeled “crony capitalist” and probably more accurately labeled “trending toward fascism.” There are big companies, big unions and big banks that are part of that sickness—they have become and stayed big thru governmental largess rather than competition. I don’t regard attacking them as related to the old-fashioned class warfare at all. They ought to have to compete without the help of their buds in the administration and congress. Give me that kind of populism any day.


16 posted on 02/21/2012 8:39:11 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: jenk

I don’t remember who it was who dubbed Jennifer Rubin a “one-woman wrecking crew” but she is really living up to that appellation.

But she’s been busted, big time, with Santorum, because she’s posted many, many positive things about him, until he became a threat to her beloved BOT, Mitt Romney.

It’s a shame, because she was really one of my faves when she was at Commentary.

The Romney-bots are a sad bunch because their guy is so bad. I’m sorry Mitt, you seem to be a nice person, well-intentioned, etc. but you just are the worst politician ever.

He can’t/won’t/doesn’t give one stirring speech? His sound-bites so far have been (paraphrasing) “i like to fire people”, “i don’t care about the poor”, “the trees in Michigan are just the right height”.

As we used to say in big, bad NYC back in the bad old pre-Giuliani days (not paraphrasing) “give to me a f*cking break!”

We will see if Santorum can hang on, if Gingrich will come back, but what I’m pretty sure we’ll NEVER see is Romney breaking “out of the box” of botness.


17 posted on 02/21/2012 9:27:55 PM PST by jocon307
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To: bmwcyle

Do you have a comprehension problem?

Yes, “only real Christ morality will save this country”.

Santorum’s approach to marketing his candidacy will not win him the election.

Those are objective facts which make me the messenger, and certainly not the enemy of anybody.

If Rick plans on winning, he needs to get on a message that will gain him the votes to get into office.
Being right counts for nothing if you can’t get elected.


18 posted on 02/21/2012 10:10:32 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: jenk

Do you have a problem recognizing the difference between being right and getting elected?

Voters understand Rick’s position on values.
If he’s going to get elected he needs to get on message with criticizing a broader range of Obama’s flaws, and plans for how he’ll resolve them.


19 posted on 02/21/2012 10:16:15 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: central_va

What’s with reporting me to the mod?

Did I say something that confuses you?

Rick is right.
The folks that care know where he stands.
Now he needs to move on to other subjects of concern to MORE VOTERS, and beat the stuffing out of Obama on issues on which he is vulnerable.

Get it?


20 posted on 02/21/2012 10:20:34 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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