Ankeny's Error: Virginia Minor could run for president; Wong Kim Ark could not

Indiana Appeals Court ^ | 2/5/2012 | edge919

[edge919]

The bottom line is that the Supreme Court made Virginia Minor eligible to run for president, but by Ankeny's own admission, it did not do so for Wong Kim Ark. The court contemplated the scenario Ankeny says was left open. By their own reasoning, Barack "No Show" Obama can NOT be a natural-born citizen, even if he were born in the White House rose garden.

[sourcery]

The Constutional Meaning Of "Natural Born Citizen"

[sourcery]

In Minor, written only six years after the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified, the Court observed that: The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens.

Nice. Stealing it.

[bushpilot1]

I’m always stealing from edge919.

[Texas Fossil]

14 We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial. For all but forty-four people in our nation‟s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant. The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 705, 18 S. Ct. at 478.

16 We note that President Obama is not the first U.S. President born of parents of differing citizenship. Chester A. Arthur, the twenty-first U.S. President, was born of a mother who was a United States citizen and a father who was an Irish citizen. See THOMAS C. REEVES, GENTLEMAN BOSS, THE LIFE OF CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR 3-4 (1975). During the election of 1880, there arose a rumor “that [Arthur] had been born in Canada, rather than in Vermont as he claimed, and was thus constitutionally ineligible to become the Chief Executive.” Id. at 3. Although President Arthur‟s status as a natural born citizen was challenged in the 1880 Presidential Election on the grounds that he was born in Canada rather than Vermont, the argument was not made that because Arthur‟s father was an Irish citizen he was constitutionally ineligible to be President.

[Texas Fossil]

The GA court is required by Federal Law to accept certification by other states as fact.

The State of HI has hidden what is really the issue. This must be uncovered within the state of HI.

No proof has been that BHO, Jr. was in fact born in HI. All public release are in a form that makes authentication impossible. If this was a simple as releasing a COLB, this would have been over. IT IS NOT.

I do not believe he was born in HI. Which is contrary to what is stated by the state of HI. If he was not born in the U.S., he is not a U.S. Citizen, much less a natural born citizen.

Instead of the “butler did it” in this case the “grandma did it”.

What will it take for this to be uncovered? For the right people to want it uncovered.

I think we are being suckered by the GA court. The new Obozo appointment to the appeals court which will review the GA case if it is appealed, is bought and paid for. She was noted as having done work on this exact issue prior to his election. She got the job to silence this challenge.

[Ken522]

If an appeal is made this this judge’s ruling, is it sure to fail? This ruling cannot stand when bho’s case isn’t even presented ...

[philman_36]

@ Georgia Secretary of State to Obama Atty Jablonski
Upon receipt of the report, I will fully and fairly review the entire record and initial decision of the administrative law judge. Anything you and your client place in the record in response to the challenge will be beneficial to my review of the initial decision; however, if you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the OSAH proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril.

No celebrations quite yet. Just more of the same...continue to distract, continue to try and convince everyone it's pointless and useless to continue 'cause a decision has been rendered.

We'll see what happens next. The ball is in SoS Kemp's court (pun intended) now. (I originally posted that @here)

[philman_36]

If an appeal is made this this judge’s ruling, is it sure to fail?
You've missed a step. See #8.

[Texas Fossil]

I was impressed by SOS Kemp’s statement. He did however say he would abide by the Administrative Judge’s decision.

I am confident that Obozo is an illegal president, and possibly not even a U.S. Citizen, much less a natural born U.S. Citizen.

Was not being negative about moving forward, but also am aware of the appointment Obozo recently made for the appeals court which will have jurisdiction of any appeal.

The Dems have anticipated this evidently.

There are no records of Obozo’s past. None. That does not happen except if his identity is false. And it is.

[philman_36]

He did however say he would abide by the Administrative Judge’s decision.
Where?

[Venturer]

IMO the Judge ruled against his own subpoenae.

No way in hell should a ruling go against the side that shows up in court against the side that doesn’t.

I guess there is no such thing as a default ruling in Georgia.

[iontheball]

Was not being negative about moving forward, but also am aware of the appointment Obozo recently made for the appeals court which will have jurisdiction of any appeal.
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Did I miss something? The article I read on the appeals appointment indicated it had not yet been approved by the Senate. The article also indicated that there are a number of his appointments that are being held up in the Senate.

[philman_36]

I was impressed by SOS Kemp’s statement. He did however say he would abide by the Administrative Judge’s decision.

You can't just make statements like yours without backing them up.
This is how conflict starts.
As the SoS for the State of Georgia Mr. Kemp is aware of the weight of his words.
You need to take the time to do the legwork on your statement and back it up. Otherwise, all you're doing is wantonly spreading a fire.

This is not a slight, nor do I wish to pick a fight. I would simply like to flesh this out. If it's BS then it needs to be cut off at the pass.

[Texas Fossil]

Thanks.

I was not aware that the appointment had not passed Senate Approval.

Now that you mentioned it, I think the article I read indicated that she had been previously approved by the Senate for other positions. Will have to go back and look at that again.

[philman_36]

The article I read on the appeals appointment indicated it had not yet been approved by the Senate.
Got link? I would like to read that.

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[Texas Fossil]

I went back and re-read the letter from SOS Kemp to Obozo’s legal staff concerning the court case.

It did not say he would support whatever the administrative judge decided in the letter. It said he would review it.

I am going to have to try and backtrack and see where I got the impression that he would support the judgement of Judge Malihi.

If I miss-stated what SOS Kemp said, it was not intentional.

I too wish this forum to be for discussion, not arguments and name calling.

[loucon]

So Judge Malihi equates citizenship at birth with Art. II natural born citizenship and the constitution grants congress the authority to pass laws regarding citizenship.

USC Title 8,1401 states the following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

So if I understand the ruling correctly, all these children after attaining the age of 35 and having resided in the US for a period of 14 years are eligible to hold the office of POTUS.

[philman_36]

If I miss-stated what SOS Kemp said, it was not intentional.
I didn't figure it was. No need in substantiating something that isn't real.

I too wish this forum to be for discussion, not arguments...
If I feel I'm right I'll try to be persuasive. If I know I'm right I will argue.
Different strokes, different folks.