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To: betty boop; grey_whiskers; A_perfect_lady; TASMANIANRED; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; xzins; metmom
"I realized I couldn't even "get on the same page" with A_perfect_lady. Whatever the question posed, she and I will respectively be dealing with it, not only from "different standpoints," but "from different levels."

"....You know what it's like to have to be around people who cannot possibly make contact with you. Since they cannot resonate with, or conform to, reality in all its richness, in order to get along at all, you must conform to them and their little reality tunnel.....

"[This type of] person forecloses the Mystery and reduces reality to the superficial laws and regularities he is capable of comprehending with his object-mind.....

"Look at the childishly literal manner in which the radical atheist interprets revelation -- as if transcendence is a thing! Instead of going off the deep end, they have gone off the shallow end, head first. Which results in paralysis from the heart in and ego up."

HERE

EXAMPLE:

"Seems wrongheaded to deploy the tools of the tenured to try to prove or disprove the existence miracles, when the whole point of the miraculous is that it is outside or beyond the reach of these tools ­ like trying to use physics to describe what is outside physics. The only thing your closed system of thought will have proved is that Gödel was correct, but we knew that already.

Besides, the sense of the miraculous obviously lies within the subject, not in the phenomenon (and is indeed its reason for being), the latter of which may be easily explained away by anyone with a little ­ but not too much ­ logic.

Our advice, which you are commanded to ignore ­ not by us, of course! ­ would be to stay within the confines of the empirical/rational/experiential, and testify that nothing has or will ever happen to you that is outside the system of thought you have constructed for yourself. Or, at least you won’t perceive it, which is something we can all agree on."

~ Gagdad Bob COMMENT on January 1, 2012 at this web site HERE

56 posted on 01/02/2012 7:40:38 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Matchett-PI
"Look at the childishly literal manner in which the radical atheist interprets revelation...

Whereas you interpret it with all the nuance, elasticity, and shadings with which a liberal interprets the Constitution. It's remarkable the subtle meanings you both can pull out. Why, by the end of your gentle kneading, texts say whatever you want them to say!

57 posted on 01/02/2012 8:23:48 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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