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Cheers!

...oh, and Happy New Year.

1 posted on 01/01/2012 5:02:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers
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To: grey_whiskers; neverdem; SunkenCiv; Cindy; LucyT; decimon; freedumb2003; ...
Birdcage liner from the brewery.

Cheers!

2 posted on 01/01/2012 5:05:35 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: sauropod

finish reading


3 posted on 01/01/2012 5:06:17 PM PST by sauropod (OCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE! Vote Republican!)
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To: grey_whiskers

All of this, just to justify hate-porn against Ron Paul, instead of discussing his policy issue strengths and weaknesses as rationally as any other politician?

LOL, the country is being beat to death by Leftist fiscal destroyers, and the only guy who is nailing the economic self-destruct process to the wall is being slandered because he wants to point out the reduction - not elimination - in foreign military intervention a strong worldwide US dollar would enable.

Not to mention the reduction is lost military lives.

But hey, go ahead and enjoy ya’lls DU-level “tard” Paul-swarming. Oh - and enjoy RINO Romney too, because that’s who we’re going to get by shutting down the rational discussion of issues FR has been famous for, for so long. Because even if Paul isn’t elected, he could, would and is beating the crap out of Mittens on the economic front. But we can’t have that now, can we?

Happy New Year indeed.


7 posted on 01/01/2012 5:14:43 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: grey_whiskers

The solution is simple. As I am supremely correct in my views on all things, thought, word and deed, people need only need ask me for the opinions they should hold. Being a generous man I will be happy to give them the correct one.

What? ;)


8 posted on 01/01/2012 5:15:58 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: grey_whiskers

If y’all only knew...


9 posted on 01/01/2012 5:17:39 PM PST by mnehring
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To: grey_whiskers
Paultards to Mitt-bots

It is my opinion that resorting to this kind of meaningless labeling, rather than debating the issue at hand, degrades the quality of discussion here. When someone says "I'm for candidate Smith because of A,B, and C", rather than a refutation of A,B, and C, we get "oh, you're just a stupid Smith-bot, lolz!" Then this site ends up looking like every other dumbed-down internet forum where name calling replaces any real thought.
21 posted on 01/01/2012 5:47:00 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: grey_whiskers
Consider someone’s political views as a set of data points, with the extent of “liberalness” or “conservativeness” for each topic being spread along the X-axis, and the *count* of topics of which a person is liberal or conservative to that extent as the height above the axis. If you plot out a person’s political views in this fashion, you will trace out a curve. It might be a symmetric bell curve, it might be somewhat asymmetric, it might even exhibit kurtosis. But in general, you will be able to get a feel for how a person “stacks up,” left or right, by talking to them.

I hereby nominate you as the official "FR plotter" whose duty will be to calculate each FReepers curve so that we will not have to waste time with those whose "curve" is obviously divergent from conservatism. : )

28 posted on 01/01/2012 6:59:25 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: grey_whiskers
It would be nice if we could plot all political thought along a single conservative/liberal axis.

Unfortunately there are many more, and not just the two that the simplistic libertarians claim.

What about the "this needs to be in the constitution" vs. "this needs to be handled by the states" axis? Some conservatives favor a stronger DOMA that would make gay marriage illegal throughout the country. Others want this handled on a state-by-state basis. Similar arguments go both ways on abortion, environmental regulations, business restrictions, etc.

The debates on if/when to use the military are often argued out on a "realist" vs. "idealist" axis.

Even if you stick to conservative vs. liberal, there are differing opinions within the conservative ranks regarding such things as Social Security. There are conservatives who feel that promises were made and need to be kept. Others who think those promises should never have been made and the program should be scrapped post-haste. Others believe it just needs to be "privatized", but every privatization scheme I've seen has had a large government component to it. What is the "real" conservative position on Social Security? Medicare? Private pensions (where promises were made and contracts signed for good or ill)?

29 posted on 01/01/2012 6:59:55 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: grey_whiskers
I alway knew JimRob could do that
I always knew JimRob could do that...
37 posted on 01/01/2012 8:05:18 PM PST by null and void (Day 1076 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: grey_whiskers; A_perfect_lady; TASMANIANRED; Alamo-Girl; Matchett-PI; YHAOS; xzins; metmom; ...
“Everybody is someone else’s weirdo.”

An insight, of course, perfectly consistent with Sartre's: Hell is the Other!

And that's the best result you can get from the premise of a fundamentally "morally relativistic" universe.

I actually heard on NPR radio last evening (which I almost never listen to) that Hinduism/Buddhism is "superior" to Christianity because it fundamentally acknowledges that the "universe", being purely "flux" in principle, never can settle on "law." (In so many words.)

The script reader did not give further (logical) particulars. But from that ["progressive???"] point of view, I gather that "whatever happens" is okay: If the Eastern philosophical view of the ultimate nature of Reality is truly the natural case, then nobody can ever again speak legitimately of "right or wrong," of "good or evil" in human society.

Worse, there is no foundation of Truth.

I'm sure it seems I digress. For you were (at least in part) regretting the practice of "zotting" at FR. It happens I share your feeling about this; BUT....

To get to a more practical point: There is no reason in the world why JR should have his resources consumed and depleted by people who hold him in contempt and animosity. Ultimately, FR is the private enterprise fruition of a single, passionate and patriotic imagination, who staked his all on the enterprise, and rises and falls with its fortunes. He is our host; and we are all his guests here.

Zotting wouldn't happen, if people just adhered to the basic rules of civility appertaining to this Forum.

Which to the Occupy Wall Street types is both senseless and tyrannical. But then, so are they.

Christians DO dispute with anarchists over basic principles, to be sure.

But I have very strong doubt that anarchists can possibly prevail, on the "merits" of their "non-argument": You just can't get any sense at all from a "senseless" person....

I'll stop such tiresome musings now, and point to the actual problem I have in "corresponding" with certain other members of the Forum.

Because I have felt so frustrated by the seeming sheer pointlessness of "engagements" with, e.g., materialists, atheists, "doctrinaire" Darwinists, et al — I have tried to understand why such conversations never seem to lead anywhere.

I've been feeling this especially since I realized I couldn't even "get on the same page" with A_perfect_lady. Whatever the question posed, she and I will respectively be dealing with it, not only from "different standpoints," but "from different levels."

Anyhoot, I read both your recent, wonderful posts on this subject before responding to this, the first one. In which you seem to be proposing the absolutely fundamental need for a universal criterion by which the Truth of Reality can be reliably known. In the second, it seemed you presented a small sampling of effects which naturally proceed from any distortion of Reality.

It seems Reality can be distorted by minds — in ways that actually afflict human beings personally and directly and, from there, into society at large.

The reason I say that (FWIW): Nowadays, since both truth and morality are "assumed" to be "relative" (relative to WHAT????), people no longer discern that there is any substantial difference between "rhetoric" and "reality."

I'll just leave the problem there for now.

Thank you ever so much for your wonderfully thought-provoking essay/posts, dear grey_whiskers!

42 posted on 01/02/2012 12:30:16 PM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: grey_whiskers

What about change and growth. 10 years ago I was a conservative Reagan republican. Now I have left the world systems behind? I have found out it is much more profitable to seek God’s kingdom first.


46 posted on 01/02/2012 12:54:59 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: grey_whiskers

Could you add me to your ping list.


63 posted on 01/03/2012 1:32:29 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: grey_whiskers
It might be a symmetric bell curve, it might be somewhat asymmetric, it might even exhibit kurtosis.

Sounds painful. Is that what Bill Clinton had?

How about just continuing on as we have done? Let people express themselves and let each person decide how to react. That's worked out well so far.

73 posted on 01/03/2012 5:54:17 PM PST by x
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To: grey_whiskers

The bell curve is overused, even possibly in Student’s day. But in his day there was an excuse for it — it was a simple thing (a simple model) to calculate with. It is amenable to many forms of manipulation.

Today with computers we can and should model much closer to the real dynamic is of a system.


92 posted on 01/04/2012 4:42:43 PM PST by bvw
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Fun read ping.


145 posted on 01/07/2012 2:00:35 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: grey_whiskers

You’ve got something there. My teens and I have heard a song on the radio with the lyrics:

“I’ll be your velcro”

Why not make your own number 1 on the hit parade....

“I’ll be your weirdo”


148 posted on 01/07/2012 3:33:45 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: grey_whiskers
Thread III pulled at your request? I rather enjoyed it and feel fortunate to have read it.

To this thread...I embrace and revel in my own weirdness/eccentricity.

And Happy New Year to you as well.

My personal philosophy...Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you've been up to! {;^) anonymous my "pale backside"

155 posted on 01/08/2012 7:35:29 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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