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To: Steelfish
Therefore, Obama does not meet the constitutional qualification of a “natural born citizen”

When was he naturalized?

7 posted on 12/17/2011 10:29:15 PM PST by douginthearmy (Leaning Newt)
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9 posted on 12/17/2011 10:45:35 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: douginthearmy

“Natural Born” citizen and naturalized are two different things. “Natural Born Citizen” is a qualification to be president. It is not defined in the constitution. But the Framers understood this term to mean that both parents must be citizens at the time of the candidates birth.


11 posted on 12/17/2011 10:59:27 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: douginthearmy

http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen_defined.htm


12 posted on 12/17/2011 11:01:15 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: douginthearmy

The term “naturalized” has been assumed by most, including you apparently, to mean that a person born of a foreign allegiance may by disavowal of that allegiance and a swearing of allegiance to the United States, and by meeting certain specified requirements become a citizen of the United States.

More broadly, the term “naturalized” can refer to ANY type of citizenship conferred by statute, including any type of citizenship at birth that is not “natural born”, i.e. NOT deriving from the operation of natural law, but by the operation of a statute.

Natural born citizenship is a citizenship that precedes the State and is superior to it. It is a type of citizenship that can not be revoked by the State since the State did not confer it in the first place.

Obama is not this type of citizen. He is a citizen (if he is one at all) by operation of the Naturalization Act. He is not a Natural Born Citizen.


16 posted on 12/17/2011 11:30:08 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: douginthearmy

According to a speech Gov. Richardson of New Mexico gave in 2008 (in Spanish), Obama is an immigrant.

According to Neil Sankey, a private investigator, Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign student as he had a federally funded scholarship for foreign students. If he did naturalize it would likely have been after leaving Occidental.


18 posted on 12/17/2011 11:36:55 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: douginthearmy

“When was he naturalized?”

A very misguided and/or misleading rhetorical question. It assumes that all born citizens are NBC, and disregards the possibility of being a born citizen who does not meet the NBC definition of being born “in country to citizen parents.”

Since passage of the 14th Admendment the US has formerly recognized “born” citizenship for persons other than those meeting the Natural Born Citizenship circumstance.

While Natural Born Citizens are by far the greatest % of all born citizens, not all “born” citizens are Natural Born Citizens.

Obama is one of those persons whose birth to an American mother and a foreign father makes him a born (no need to naturalize) US citizen, but does not meet the criteria for NBC status.

Obama’s pro-offered birth certificate(s) are prima facia evidence that he fails to meet the Article II standard for Presidential eligibility.

Arguing about the place of birth is an Obama generated and promoted red herring to redirect attention from the underlying issue of his ineligibility due to divided loyality parentage.

Your posting of the above question identifies you as either woefully ignorant of the issues involved, or a troll promoting the Obama agenda. There are no other possibilities.

So which are you?


42 posted on 12/18/2011 10:12:59 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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