Posted on 07/06/2011 2:28:36 PM PDT by wintertime
The following applies to ALL government teachers in a GENERAL manner and is NOT NOT NOT directed at any individual here on Free Republic:
Haven't we read many times, here on Free Republic, that there are many "good" teachers in our government K-12 schools. Really? Is that so? Then how can the following be "good"?
Every day, ALL government teachers **willingly** go into government schools and **willingly** take a paycheck for teaching their students to think and reason godlessly. The government schools BY LAW are godlessly secular in their worldview. The children must learn to think and reason godlessly merely to cooperate in the classroom and do assignments.
No one is holding a gun to any government teacher's head as they work to undermine the parents and the child's faith.
Also...Let's go further. Again, how can the following be “good”?
**ALL** ( Yes! **every**!) government schools in this nation are socialist-funded, compulsory for all those whose parent's can't ransom them, and managed by the collectivist voting mob. Merely by attending children learn to be comfortable with taking money from their neighbor for a service their parents want for tuition-free. Well?...If government can give “free” school, why not a thousand other wants and needs.
Why on earth would any “good” teacher agree to uphold, establish, and run a system that teaches children to be comfortable with socialism, government compulsion, and submission to the voting collectivist mob? No one is holding a gun to their heads when they do this. No one is threatening them or their families with harm as they collect their paychecks.
The TSA airport searches and the coming Death Panels are not an accident. They are a result of generations of citizens being conditioned in government schools by government teachers ( who seem so sweet and love their cats) to placidly accept government compulsion.
Yes, some Christian and/or conservative teachers will say that they are trying to sneak in some Christian and/or conservative principles into their classroom. Well! They **are** teaching an important lesson. They are teaching children that Christians and conservatives are timid and SNEAKY!
Let's use an extreme example. The Nazi concentration camps.
Would a “good” German WILLINGLY agree to work in the Nazi concentration camps because he might sneak a few crumbs to the prisoners once in a while? Or... would the **truly** “good” German join the resistance and work his guts out to help as many prisoners to escape as possible, and strive bravely and valiantly to permanently close down the concentration camps?
So... The genuinely ***good** teachers are NOT working for the godless, socialist-funded, compulsory, and voter mob managed government schools. They are working their guts out to see they are completely closed down. And...They are doing their best politically and culturally to see that children have other alternatives. They are warning parents not to send their children into the government schools.
Please remember that when you meet dear Mrs. Smilely ( the teacher who loves her cat) in church or at the supermarket, that every working day she is establishing, supporting, and upholding government schools that teach children to think godlessly, to be comfortable with taking their neighbor's money for "free" stuff, and to submit meekly to the crushing heel of the collectivist voting mob. None of that can that be "good"!
Finally....There have NEVER been "good" government schools or "good" government teachers. From their inception in the mid-1800s to early 1900s, government K-12 schools have been socialist-funded, compulsory, and managed by the collectivist voting mob. Why should we be surprised that one or two generations later that we had Woodrow Wilson, the IRS, the federal reserve, unions, feminism, direct election of senators, and Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal?
Yes, the government schools, at first offered up a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth! By my grandmother's day ( born 1894), the government schools were godlessly secular with a sprinkle of prayer in the morning.
Conclusion #1 : There is not now, and never has been even one good government school! There is not now, and never has been, a good government teacher!
Conclusion #2: If Islam takes hold in this nation, it is because government schools, like the Death Eaters, have sucked the souls out of our nation's children and their parents.
The above applies to ALL government teachers in a GENERAL manner and is NOT NOT NOT directed specifically at any individual here on Free Republic.
The only good govt schools died years ago.
Now, the only good govt school is a dead govt school.
Almost the same for govt colleges - with the exception of our military academies - all of which having curricula that would easily eliminate idiots like the Obamaloon and the MSM.
I liked all the facts presented in this post.
So well researched and footnoted.
I teach literature at the public schools.
I teach the difference of positive and natural law as outlined in the Declaration of Independence.
I also teach Puritan poetry (including “Huswifery” by Taylor, which is an elaborate extended metaphor about God).
The main thing I teach, however, is how to interpret literature, how to write, and how to proofread.
There has **never** been a good government school. ***ALL** modern government owned schools, since their inception in the mid-1800s, have been socialist-funded, compulsory for those children whose parents could not ransom them, and managed by the voting mob collective.
Merely by attending children learned to be comfortable with socialism, collectivism, and having their lives directed by the voting mob collective. Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt were **inevitable**!
Also...The earliest government schools ( mid-1800s) were generically Protestant and lukewarm. Christ doesn't think much of the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!
You, sir, are a gift to the school that you teach.
And all of us who disparage public schools know there are many like you serving us well.
However, I’m afraid that the paradigm of “good public schools” is no longer one which can be trusted.
Then it should be easy for you to refute my arguments point by point.
I have no problem with this. I don't want the government teaching my kids about God, that's my job.
“...You, sir, are a gift to the school that you teach....”
May I respectfully amend my comment to ...you, sir or madam..”
I hate political correctness, but must admit that I was a bit too exclusive there.
The government keeps its schools going with YOUR tax money.
If you pay your taxes, YOU are responsible for continuing the abomination against which you rail.
Therefore, YOU are also the problem.
I'm sure you will IMMEDIATELY cease paying ANY taxes, since to do so makes YOU responsible for the schools' ability to corrupt children.
Put up, or . . .
I know that you and I have discussed this before. But for any that may not be fully aware of the "roots" of public education in America, see:
The roots of this problem can be traced prior to Dewey:"In 1852 when the state of Massachusetts pioneered the first program of public education in America, it decided to borrow as its model the Prussian educational system, the then reigning paradigm of educational discipline and efficiency. The designers of the Prussian system did not share Condorcet's concern with teaching children to think for themselves. The German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, an enthusiastic supporter of the Jacobins during the French Revolution, had been one of the spiritual architects of the Prussian system. Fichte summed up his philosophy of public education by saying: 'If you want to influence [the pupil] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will. ... The new education must produce this stable and unhesitating will according to a sure and infallible rule.' This method of teaching no doubt produces the kind of orderly discipline necessary for mass education to work at all, and yet it is also the doctrine of education embraced by all subsequent forms of totalitarian government and eerily prophetic of George Orwell's Newspeak."
Fundamentally....ALL government owned and run schools are socialist-funded, godless in their worldview, and managed by the collectivist voting mob. Simply by attending children learn to be comfortable with the compulsion of the voting mob, and using the police threat of government to take money for a service their parents want for tuition-free. I am willing to bet that some of their teachers in their 13 year school experience even teach them that “free” school is their human right.
Also...There Is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between a classroom teaching literature from a God-centered, and denomination-specific perspective, as compared to the instruction offered in the godless government schools! There is no possible way, that the nun, in my 10th grade English class, would have lasted 5 minutes in a godless government school without being fired. The mere mention of Pope Pius's XII opinion on a moral or ethical matter would have had a principal calling for security to have her removed.
LOL
I have no problem with this. I don’t want the government teaching my kids about God, that’s my job.
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Aren’t you lucky! Your neighbor gets to pay for, by way of armed police threat, and establish your religious worldview. How nice for you! (By the way, there are real bullets in those guns on the hip._
To the poster, the State of Ohio provides me with a classroom poster every year. It states: In God we trust.
The roots of this problem can be traced prior to Dewey:
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Exactly! Government schools are built on a rotten foundation of socialist force, compulsion to attend, and voter mob collectivist control. NOTHING about them has ever been “good” for the child or the nation.
It was never good to feed them lukewarm and generic Protestantism. It is even worse to teach them to think and reason godlessly now.
It depends on how one looks at it, philosophically. Schools are primarily funded at the county level. If I pay $1,500 a year in property taxes, I could consider that this goes to pay for the county schools ... or I could consider that it goes to put gas in the Sheriff's Department cars. Nobody can prove where any of the individual dollars went.
Same at the state and federal levels. I can say all my state tax dollars go to pave the state roads I drive on, or to the state parks, not to the Department of Public Education. I can say my Federal income taxes go to pay my father's Navy pension or my daughter's Coast Guard salary ... and nobody can prove otherwise.
Well!...Unlike most, I did pay with my life. I devoted approximately 8 years to formally homeschooling my children. They started college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13.
So....By doing homeschooling I did deprive the schools of 24 school years of state funding that they would have received from the county and the state if the children had attended government school.
Let’s see? In today’s dollars that would be $10,000 to $20,OOO per child per year.
24 X $10,000 = $240,000
24 X 20,000 = $480,000
Wow! I bet that help to pay for a few paved roads.
Well, you pay taxes to support the godless government. Does that make you evil too?
Kudos to you for homeschooling. Most people do not have the courage.
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