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Liberal attempts to abolish Electoral College takes back door route thru State Legislatures
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-18-11 | Mataharley

Posted on 05/18/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by Starman417

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1 posted on 05/18/2011 2:31:04 PM PDT by Starman417
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Since the constitution does not specify the manner in which state electors are chosen (other than precluding chosing Senators and Representatives) this appears to be entirely constitutional. It is pretty hard to believe small states would go along with it. Nor do I like it.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 2:38:48 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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It’s simple...

If this comes to pass, then Red States and flyover country will get together and seceed...

What’s the point of having 9 or 10 (blue) states picking the president EVERY election?


3 posted on 05/18/2011 2:38:51 PM PDT by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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Liberal attempts to abolish Electoral College takes back door route thru State Legislatures

I have used the term 'Mob Rule' on several occasions, and this is what I'm talking about.

Grant amnesty for illegals, abolish the Electoral College, and we will have a Leftist dynasty.

4 posted on 05/18/2011 2:39:48 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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They can have the east and west coasts, just leave us the Texas Coast!


5 posted on 05/18/2011 2:45:18 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Starman417

Let the blue states take themselves out of the election process if they wish! The first time a democrat looses because of this idiocy they’ll all change their laws back so fast the ink will burn!


6 posted on 05/18/2011 2:49:16 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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If this comes to pass, then Red States and flyover country will get together and seceed...

No they won’t. Everyone acts like that is the easiest thing to do. The process would be grueling and not one state will do so.


7 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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8 posted on 05/18/2011 2:57:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Starman417

I assume this is a result of the Soros program to elect “progressive” Secs of State.


9 posted on 05/18/2011 3:02:55 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Starman417

Letting the States decide - I’d call that the front door.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 3:05:08 PM PDT by DManA
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The Constitution forbids compacts between states. The question will be whether this is a compact or not.

-PJ

11 posted on 05/18/2011 3:12:27 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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Not quite...maybe....

All interstate compacts that impact on federal supremacy have to be approved by a vote of Congress. This MIGHT fall under under a clause in the Constitution (see below). It wouldn’t pass the current Congress if that is the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL

“Supporters of the compact believe the compact would be valid without congressional approval, but some critics maintain that the congressional approval is necessary before the it can go into effect. According to Every Vote Equal, although Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution requires that interstate compacts receive the consent of Congress, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled in Virginia v. Tennessee, 148 U.S. 503 (1893), and several more recent cases, that such consent is not necessary except where a compact encroaches on federal supremacy.

Every Vote Equal argues that the compact could never encroach upon federal power since the Constitution explicitly gives the power of casting electoral votes to the states, not the federal government. Derek Muller, an opponent of the compact, argues that the NPVIC would nonetheless affect the federal system in such a way that it requires Congressional approval.[28] Regardless, supporters of the NPVIC plan to seek congressional approval if the compact is approved by a sufficient number of states.”


12 posted on 05/18/2011 3:14:26 PM PDT by SonofReagan
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and, let’s not forget....

Soros’ Secretary of State Project!!

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/12/04/soros-eyes-secretaries/print


13 posted on 05/18/2011 3:24:51 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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...bind them to award their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote—even if the candidate that got the most votes nationally did not carry that individual state.

Three times Democrats have lost the presidency but carried the "popular vote" and the very first time it advantages Republicans, they'll throw a fit and scuttle this idea.

Heads will explode if CA, or some other "blue" state, is forced to abandon their voter's choice of a Democrat and award all electoral votes to the Republican.

14 posted on 05/18/2011 3:28:04 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until 2017.)
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The Constitution forbids compacts between states. The question will be whether this is a compact or not.

Since this whole risky election scheme depends entirely on the actions of other people in other states, then I would absolutely say that yes this is a compact.

Just my $0.02.

15 posted on 05/18/2011 3:40:45 PM PDT by DarthFuzball ("Life is full of little surprises." - Pandora)
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That's absolutely true, unfortunately, the odds are not in favor of a Republican ever getting the popular vote and not the electoral one.

As Democrats consolidate power in the cities with union thugs organizing GOTV and undocumented voters they'll be able to create larger and larger "popular vote" majorities.

It will be "mob rule."

16 posted on 05/18/2011 3:42:00 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until 2017.)
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To: Starman417
The conditions which would make the rule binding only if enough other states have a similar binding rule are stupid. In the only situations where they'd have an effect, that effect would be to render elections undecidable.

I would suggest, though, that the remedy for all this nonsense would be for some states to delay the release of the individual vote tallies for the top two candidates until January 31, or until the runner-up waives the delay. Prior to that, the states should identify the top two candidates and their ranking, along with their combined vote total, along with the ranks and individual vote totals for the other candidates.

So if outside the state of Springfield, USA, Bob is behind by 1,000,000 votes, but he may have won Springfield by 2,000,000 votes, Bob wouldn't be able to confirm his victory unless or until Springfield reveals his winning margin. If Bob's opponent Joe decides that he'll concede the state of Springfield to Bob, then Bob would have no standing to demand that Springfield reveal Bob's winning margin. It will have declared Bob the winner, which would be its only duty. If Joe thought he might have won Springfield, he could contest the election there, revealing the margin, but if his electoral vote count elsewhere would give him the victory (even losing Springfield) he could simply have Springfield keep the numbers secret. Voila--the other states' efforts to use the popular vote would be rendered ineffective.

17 posted on 05/18/2011 4:23:43 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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So, if I read this right, if a Republican wins the popular vote, even it’s by only one vote, then the State of California, if they pass this law, would have to give their electoral votes to the Republican. How does that hurt us?


18 posted on 05/18/2011 4:26:36 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"Grant amnesty for illegals, abolish the Electoral College, and we will have a Leftist dynasty."

And then we'll Civil War II. It seems to me that the continual Leftist/Democrat Party attacks on constitutional government and the quickening disintegration of American society is leading our nation to this outcome.

19 posted on 05/18/2011 4:30:39 PM PDT by StormEye
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And then we'll Civil War II.

It will be a short war. I wonder where libs think the food for their cities will come from? I'd give it about a week.

20 posted on 05/18/2011 4:47:25 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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