Posted on 04/26/2011 10:50:40 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen
The Center for Disease Control has prophesied that by 2020 every state in the union will have indoor smoking bans. There are three bans in the prediction: restaurants, bars and workplace. Of course you can’t smoke in federal buildings but these do not fall under state jurisdiction. Texas just happens be one of seven states that still believes in individual freedom and we have no indoor state smoking ban. Unfortunately, cities do have the right to pass smoking bans.
In 2000, there were no state bans on indoor smoking. By 2010, fifty states have all three bans. By 2020, it is prophesied all states will. Hallelula! BS. Passive smoke is when tobacco smoke permeates an inclosed environment. Secondhand Smoke (SHS) and environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) describe this situation. Direct stream is the smoke from the burning object (cigarette, pipe, etc.). Sidestream smoke is the exhaled smoke from another person.
The official reason smoking was banned is this passive smoking. Science said back in the ’70′s, smoking could be a primary causative factor in lung cancer. But, in those days, medicine’s philosophy was science-base medicine. Things didn’t happen very fast because research had to prove things. Liberal medical folks were held back by not having research proof of their claims. About this time, liberals in the medical profession began formulating a new philosophy and volla, evidence-based medicine miraculously appear cir. 1990. SHS evidence began popping up like weeds in my yard in April. Evidence-based medicine does not need scientific research to back up its claims, it merely needs evidence. There is good evidence and there is less good evidence, lesser good, on down to piss poor. Which is described as ”junk” research. You must be able to evaluate the most current evidence through engineering principles, statistics and the person presenting the evidence(big name liberal MD or lowly conservative.) This philosophy is now invading the health industry policy making and it loves to dictate practice parameters. The way you should practice. If you equate this to liberal/socialism views in politics you will get a better idea of it. It is evidence not scientific research giving proof.
SHS has now reached the point that “evidence” indicates sidestream smoke is the most dangerous type of smoke because some how, some way inhaling exhaled smoke make you more susceptible to smoke influenced diseases than just straight inhaling. BS This just shows you that you will better off smoking than not smoking. Wrong. It is merely a claim without actual proof. Thirdhand smoke (THS) is the materials of smoke that collect on clothes, skin, chairs, drapes, smoker and other folks affected by SHS. It is really bad for babies and may have an effect on the babies neural development. BS Again there is no proof. Merely evidence produced by some one’s idea of what might be. This is like the public health people telling us we need to stop taking baths because we could slip, fall and injure or kill ourselves.
Laws to ban smoking indoors have no scientific basis. To use a law phrase, there is only circumstantial evidence, no smoking gun. One current study is contradicting the consensus about SHS.
“We found no measurable effect from being exposed to secondhand smoke and an increased risk of heart disease or lung cancer in nonsmokers – not at any time or at any level,” lead researcher James Enstrom, PhD, MPH, of the UCLA School of Public Health, tells WebMD. “The only thing we did find, which was not reported in the study, is that nonsmoker who live with smokers have an increased risk of widowhood because their smoking spouses do die prematurely.” Now guess who says this is BS, not me.
The Center for Disease Control has prophesied that by 2020 every state in the union will have indoor smoking bans. There are three bans in the prediction: restaurants, bars and workplace. Of course you can’t smoke in federal buildings but these do not fall under state jurisdiction. Texas just happens be one of seven states that still believes in individual freedom and we have no indoor state smoking ban. Unfortunately, cities do have the right to pass smoking bans.
BS!You can’t smoke in many places in Texas so don’t buy this garbage.
Texas is sucking up to the fed BIGTIME!
I am not a smoker, and do not care to be around them, but
I respect their right to smoke.
To ban smoking in a bar is akin to banning the alcohol.
When I go to one, I expect to be with smokers and I accept it.
As for restaurants , I would be all in favor of separate rooms
for smokers and non-smokers.
I will respect your rights as long as they don't interfere with mine. When they do, I will no longer support them, If you are so addicted to tobacco that you can't go an hour without lighting up I truly feel sorry for you.
I am a smoker and I only care to be around the less obnoxious ones.
I respect their right to smoke also.
yada, yada, yad on the bar thing.
Restaurants, I don’t mind lighting up after eating, but personally, I don’t care for the smoke while I am eating.
As a smoker, I used to ask for non-smoking while I ate. I’ll go to the smoking section, or outside when I am done.
Not smoking at an outside event like a concert or a sporting event offends me. Especially a concert.
I went to a concert, an outside event mind you, had section seating, and the guy told me I had to put my cigarette out. I told him, the guy right there is smoking a joint. He said it didn’t matter, there was no smoking.
I put my cigarette out, walked in, and lit another one.
I am a criminal, I fully admit it.
You...drink three beers? That puts you over the limit to drive. You shouldn’t be allowed to have three beers. If you HAVE to have a beer, take it OUTSIDE and call a cab. I don’t want you around me. And I’m going to call a cop to come get you.
Oh, but you are a smoker. You do drive a car. Still, as a smoker I appreciate your support of my rights to smoke cigs. And yes, I should quit.
“Oh, but you are a smoker. You do drive a car.”
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Where did I say that I drive a car?
Furthermore, what does it have to do with
smoking in an enclosed space?
I applaud you for not excerpting.
Property Rights ....
If I own the Property and I want my Customers to be able to Smoke who the F$$$$CK do you think you or the Gubermint are to tell me I can’t? You wouldn’t like my place so you wouldn’t be there so HOW THE FLIPPEN F%$$$CK would I be bothering your rights?
Please try to respond without “feeling” something (sorry or otherwise)
TT
There were workplace bans in effect in CT in the 80’s.
You never drove a car in a parking garage or near a park?
Anyhow, I was agreeing with you and trying to insert a bit of humor. I’ll keep my day job.
“You never drove a car in a parking garage or near a park?”
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Of course I have driven in parking garages, and parks.
I have had reserved parking places in garages.
I have driven at least one million miles in my life,
but now I have no need for a car, and have not owned one
since 2005.
Oh, I do enjoy a good cigar every now and then, but would not think of smoking one anywhere indoors, other then a designated area.
As I stated, I have no problems with smokers in bars, even though it may irritate my eyes. I am not forced to be there.
They kind of left out evidence of second hand smoke Hormesis.
As I said, you and I are in agreement, especially on the part about having a nice cigar now and then.
Nice to chat with you on this subject. FReepRegards!
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