Posted on 02/18/2011 3:14:13 PM PST by RobinMasters
It takes four votes to move a case from conference to being heard by the full court in a trial. According to Justice Thomas, apparently there are only three votes. I don’t know who the holdout is.
You nailed it. Are there remains of Sr. anywhere? Could a DNA test be conducted? I’ve always thought with his early associations, but mostly by photos that Malcom X could be his father. Then he’d be President “X”.
It is quite true that the birth announcements in the HI papers around the time of Obama’s birth could have easily been placed there by his grandparents in an effort to aid Ann Dunham. So much of this story wreaks - but mostly what wreaks is the inattention of the American press (what a joke) and public (American Idol anyone?) to Article II, Section 1 POTUS requirements of the USC.
Unfortunately Sarah Palin seems to be among the crowd that has now decided to denounce the ‘birthers’ as we're derisively called, and which banner I wear proudly in defense of the historic and unmatched United States Constitution. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/sarah-palins-smart-move/71432/ With all due respect, perhaps Gov. Palin has some electioneering to consider, but I don't. Gov. Palin - the birther issue is a distraction precisely because people are NOT willing to stand up for the USC, the rule of law, et al.
In any case, and as a practical matter, we birthers did indeed prevail in our desires to body check the quite possible illegitimate president of our beloved country, but opposing him vigorously and tirelessly before during and after the recent historic mid-term pounding.
Like it or not, the ‘birther’ questions, which have never, EVER been adequately answered by Obama’s camp, or supporters, have contributed to his derailing.
May the rule of law, and our own United States Constitution prevail in these uncertain times, and may Gov. Palin, should she ever become President, understand that supporting such is not a matter for political expediency and that doing so is not a distraction.
Palin is being smart. She doesn’t need the label of “birther” attached to her. If she starts, she will be labeled little more than a Kucinich nutjob.
Besides, there isn’t a single thing she can do about it. It is Congress’s duty to verify the nominees for president and the Supreme Court’s job to try any cases that result from it.
james, are you changing your position here?? I thought the faither line was that there are no long form birth certificates anymore?? Second, the Certification of Live Birth is NOT an original form unless it’s the ONLY form a person has, such as anybody born after October 2001. The Birth Index is not a separate vital record. You know this.
There is a difference between what Hawaii keeps on file and what they release to the public, it’s really that simple an explanation: original long form: archived and not available except under one or more of 13 exceptions in the law; original short form COLB, available to the person named on the birth record: stored electronically; Index data; in paper form and for Barack Hussein Obama II, available to the public and published on the Hawaii Department of Health web site .
Remember when CNN incorrectly reported that Obama’s original birth certificate had been destroyed in a fire? The Hawaii Health Department corrected that inaccuracy.
From worldnetdaily.com (and please note Ms. Okubo’s use of the term records with an “s” and not “record”):
“I am not aware of any birth certificate records that have been destroyed by the department,” Janice Okubo, public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, told WND. “When the department went electronic in 2001, vital records, whether in paper form or any other form, [were] maintained. We don’t destroy records.”
Okubo affirmed that beginning in 2001, all vital records, including birth records, moved to electronic formats.
“Any records that we had in paper or any other form before 2001 are still in file within the department,” she insisted. “We have not destroyed any vital statistics records that we have.”
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105233#ixzz1EQw4TVMF
Please read Janice Okubo’s explanation one more time and this time, try reading it for comprehension.
Saturday, June 06, 2009
Honolulu Star-Bulliten
Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it’s only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”
“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”
We found a discussion of “the truth about Obama’s birth certificate” on the Web site FactCheck.org—http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.
The organization describes itself as “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”
It says a “certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line
Wow. I know there was a discussion here about a year ago on the differences between the various states and what they required to get on the ballot. Some more stringent than others.
This obviously has to change. Right now...the buck stops nowhere. No one is responsible. I think going through the states to pass laws requiring the SOS or whoever is responsible for putting potential Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates on a ballot is the way to go.[Like your idea of requiring long form birth certificates and the relevant paper trail]
Besides the Constitutional requirements, I'm sure a state would be challanged in court if they passed a law requiring potential Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates to pass a simple secuirty clearance test. [Interesting read]. But such a commonsense requirement would be hard to shoot down and would be worth the effort.
If they shot it down, that would be an Amendment to the Constitution for the eligibility of the President and Vice-President that I could get behind.
Instead, the unthinkable happened --Barack Hussein Obama, A Marxist, Muslim, American-hating illegal alien. A domestic and foreign threat to the Constitution and the very survival of America got into the White House. Cheered and unscrutinized by almost everyone in a position of power and the ability to inform the people--- except a lot patriots on the internet. This has GOT TO CHANGE.
“Who IS Bary Soetoro?”
Maybe that is the name on the real BC. That is one possibility as to WHY the heck we can’t just SEE the damn thing.
That might be why Hussein was sworn in twice.
Once in public with the name he used to be all African ethnic with the whole backstory to be elected in Illinois as senator and later to be elected by liberals as POTUS.
Then again, in private with The Supremes, swearing in with the real official legal name of Barry Soetoro from when he was in Indonesia.
Hey, just theory. One of many with this deceiver, liar, muslim, marxist, usurper....enemy in the White House....But let me tell you how I really feel................
President “X”...President "O"...
XOXOXOXOXOXO
You're not a messenger. You stated your own ridiculous opinion that three versions of the same vital record is somehow the same thing as being three different records.
From worldnetdaily.com (and please note Ms. Okubo’s use of the term records with an “s” and not “record”):
Spokesbabe Okubo is talking about collective records amassed by the state. Nothing in what you quoted supports your bizarre idea that a long-form, short form and index constitute the multiple vital records that were cited by Chiyome Fukino. It takes only ONE vital record to verify place of birth, yet that one record (a legal original birth certificate as cited in October 2008) was evidently insufficient to prove Obama's place of birth since Fukino felt compelled to change the verbiage of her news release to multiple records. This claim, based on unspecified, multiple records, indicates Obama did not present a genuine COLB, as a genuine COLB would have been sufficient and legal for Fukino to cite in her July 2009 news release. She did not do so.
Please read Janice Okubo’s explanation one more time and this time, try reading it for comprehension.
I would suggest you take your own advice. This story doesn't help Obama in any way shape or form. For example:
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
Not a direct quote, and this statement is false according to Hawaii state law, which says any part of any certificate must be issued by request.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
If this is true, then this means Obama does not have a paper copy of his alleged COLB. Whatever factlack dot org clamed to photograph was not issued by the state.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
Again, this completely invalidates the factlack dot org story, claims and photos. Ouch.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”
Ouch, james, this completely contradicts your claim that "there is an original vault copy Certificate of Live Birth (Long Form) and original vault copy Certification of Live Birth (Short Form) and an Index File." Did you mean to refute your own claim??
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
Too bad she never said that Obama's jpg is an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”
What?? Everyone who requests a birth certificate gets a jpg of Obama's alleged COLB?? The questions was about the image at Obama's Fight the Smears site. Spokesbabe Okubo earlier admitted she couldn't say what that image represented. Unfortunately, the reporter doesn't press her to see if she's changing that statement or making a generic comment.
The organization describes itself as “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”
Really?? This organization, factlack dot org, stripped incriminating EXIF data from the photos it claims it took of an alleged paper document, which Spokesbabe Okubo says the state doesn't release. Somebody is lying. Second, factlack dot org had their story written by interns with no recognized authority in verifying the authenticity of legal documents. Nor did the interns confirm with the issuing agency the legitimacy of the claimed document. That is the epitome of deception and confusion.
It [factlack dot org] says a “certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate.
Strange, but this doesn't jibe with Spokesbabe Okubo's claim the story printed a few paragraphs earlier, "the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”"
You misheard. There's actually dosumentation from "Keny.. oh yeah, I..."
“Besides, there isn’t a single thing she can do about it. It is Congress’s duty to verify the nominees for president and the Supreme Court’s job to try any cases that result from it.”
Well, I’d agree, it’s in no one’s best interests for Palin to go out on a limb alone on this topic. That’s political reality. That said, bammy’s got real trouble it seems in a number of state’s that are going to demand proof of citizenship that is more than some trumped up internet COLB.
In any case, we all have to prevent this from happening in the future, and that will only happen if we care enough about the rule of law and the USC to do so.
I predict that if any state gets a law on its books that requires proof that a candidate is a natural born citizen, Obama won’t dare run for re-election because if he did and could not satisfy the law, EVERYTHING he has done in his presidency would be quickly declared unconstitutional.
So perhaps the battleground for this lies not in Sarah Palin’s rhetoric but in red state legislatures like OK. Hopefully enough of us care so that the USC will not die on our watch.
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