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To: tired_old_conservative

Please point out which land they do not dominate, that I said that they did.

Muslims to not have to enact change through our laws yet. They do it on the ground by constantly whining about what needs to be changed to suit their religion. Comparing this enemy to that of the Cold War, is not really a vaild comparison. Muslims are slowly taking over the word through the political aspect of Islam. If things do not change, it is just a matter of time until they takeover the West.

Iraq is now a Christian persecuting country, I do not consider that a great victory. Also the Sunni vs. Shiite feud took 69 lives today. That feud is not going to go away because the infidel wants it to. When the troops leave, it will only get worse.


9 posted on 04/23/2010 4:16:05 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Islaminaction
“Outside of Israel, Islam has taken over the Middle East, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Malaysia.”

I think the tone of that is kind of alarmist. Of course it's the dominant religion in the Middle East. That is it's birthplace, coming well after the other Semitic religions and easily overwhelming them in another age. That's hardly a new or dramatic phenomena. And the spread to Malaysia and Indonesia is also a historic fact. Nothing new there.

It has also taken over large portions of Africa, Europe, India, the Philippines (Moro region), and (Southern) Thailand, etc.”

It took over large portions of Africa in the initial expansion. It has certainly made inroads in select countries, predominantly on the eastern half. That is true. But it has not taken over large portions of Europe. That is an exaggeration of a primarily urban phenomena associated with quasi-segregated immigrant enclaves. The experience in the US appears to be much more diffuse, largely due to our being an immigrant nation that naturally diffuses cultural concentrations even as they build. And Muslims certainly do not dominate India. They have a historical minority there that if anything is as often truly aggrieved as it is the aggressor. What they dominate is Pakistan, which was left off the list.

The regions of the Phillipines and Thailand you cite are also legacy populations not threatening the nations as a whole, but squabbling over treatment of an aggrieved minority. That's the exact same thing the Indian and Chinese populations do in Malaysia, which also sometimes spills over into violence, although less so as it has a historically more stable government.

“Now the problem is in our backyard, and the excuses for Islam continue. How much more land does it have to dominate before we wake up? The world avoided Nazism for as long as it could, and like the Nazis, pro-Sharia Muslims are not hiding their agenda.”

I don't think we have any problem even remotely comparable to that of poorer counties with varying degrees of central authority and historically aggrieved minority populations where literally hundreds can be killed by outbreaks on either side. What we have is a lot of kvetching about our civil rights. Certainly some of it is annoying. But the various entangled grievances of poor people in poor countries do not automatically place us at risk of anything other than acts of terrorism. Nor is the idea that the Muslim hordes will take over inherently any more valid than historical fears of the yellow peril or other similar stuff. In terms of actual ability to harm us, nations like Russia, China and even India have far more potential.

Muslims are not taking over the world. Much of their extremist rage is precisely over a perceived sense of powerlessness. That's a real issue to contend with, but we are not nearly as weak or fragile as our fears may sometimes counsel. We are the most powerful nation on earth, one with a tiny Muslim population.

In my opinion, if and when we eventually fall, it will be to the demons Western civilization created, such as communism or fascism, the things part and parcel of our own cultural DNA. It will not be to some poor religion alien to that culture and the vast majority of the population. None of which is to say that Islam cannot be a threat, or that it doesn't warrant monitoring and action at times. But hyperbole aside, Islam is not currently in any position to destroy us. If that is our destiny, we have already sewn those seeds ourselves, and they will reach fruition with or without Islam.

14 posted on 04/23/2010 5:15:06 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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