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re: the RINOs would cave after 3 days

Like when they had Clinton's back to the wall with the government shut down? That was certainly a low point in the history of the Republicans.

I've been watching politics for a long time and damned if I can remember a bill that would be as disastrous for America as this one would be if it gets passed.

I wonder if some of the ones who claim to be undecided know full well they'll vote ‘no’ but just want to save themselves the hell they would get if they ‘fessed up to it. They know they'll take a lot of heat if they say now they won't vote for it. Better to act undecided and put off the backlash for as long as possible.

This year under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi has certainly been a debacle. You can certainly tell they've lost all fear of being voted out of office. Time for them to get an industrial strength lesson as to who's in charge!

One of my biggest disappointments in a life of following politics was when the GOP caved to Clinton in 1995. It was Bob Dole's fault, pure and simple. After the government was shut down a few days, he couldn't stand it any longer, and went to the White House and made a deal. He cut Newt's legs out from under him, and Newt had no choice but to go along. From then on, Clinton had power he didn't have before, to threaten and scold, and keep the GOP from being conservative. If he had lost that battle, he would have lost in 1996, and a lot of harm could have been avoided. If he had lost that battle, the GOP could have rolled back a lot of Great Society programs. Instead, they had to compromise on welfare reform (that Clinton took credit for) and a very small capital gains tax reduction.

Bob Dole was called the "Tax Collector for the Welfare State" for a reason. He was the old, go-along GOP that were like beaten dogs they had been subservient to Dems for so long. Gerald Ford, Bob Michel, Romney, those guys.

Not only did the GOP screw up a chance to kill off liberalism, but when the steam ran out because of RINOs in the Senate, the GOP was left to govern without much of an ideology except for staying in power. That corrupted them, and led to their defeat in 2006. National security was the only issue that they maintained consistency on, and that was spent by 2006.

Bottom line, in 1995, they didn't have the balls. Whether they would in 2011 is doubtful. Look at the Senate.