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Three Rings and You’re Out: Bishop Busted for Bells
Is There a Lawyer in the Church? ^ | 1/29/2010 | Stephen Bloom

Posted on 01/30/2010 5:27:09 AM PST by LikeLight

Zero tolerance for church bells? Ring free zones?

Instead of getting tough on dealers, Arizona prosecutors are going after pealers.

It doesn't ring true, but it is. Here's the video report from Alliance Defense Fund:

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ADF is representing the bellringing Bishop in an appeal hearing of his criminal conviction and, in a separate civil case, is challenging the application of local noise ordinances to church bells.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: adf; bells; church; religiousfreedom
Latest in the ongoing clampdown on religious expression.

LikeLight (Stephen Bloom)

1 posted on 01/30/2010 5:27:10 AM PST by LikeLight
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To: LikeLight

I love the sound of church bells. To me it is very comforting. Dorothy L. Sayers wrote a great mystery novel, The Nine Tailors, which is infused with campanology. People have no sense of history now.


2 posted on 01/30/2010 5:39:33 AM PST by sueuprising
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To: LikeLight
Where I live, I hear a nearby church ring the Angelus thrice daily. Whenever I hear it, I'm transported in time and place. I imagine that bell ringing throughout the centuries in cities and villages.

Keep it up ye leftists and fellow travelers, i.e., muzzies doing the heavy lifting libs won't do. We won't sit peacefully for ever.


3 posted on 01/30/2010 5:43:39 AM PST by Oratam
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To: LikeLight
I thought this was going to be a thread about Episcopalian liturgical wars.

My old Priest used to tell the joke: "Q: What's the difference between a Liturgist and a Terrorist? A: You can negotiate with a Terrorist!"

That was back in the good ol' days when you could joke about Liturgism Terrorism...

4 posted on 01/30/2010 5:43:55 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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To: LikeLight

Yup, except for Muslims. They seem to have no problem with call to prayer 5 times a day or foot baths in airport or special prayer rooms in schools or veils on the driver license or Mosque variances and on and on and on


5 posted on 01/30/2010 5:48:21 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he would'nt and not doing what he said he would)
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To: LikeLight

Libs should remember,
Nature Abhors a vacuum.
Islam is waiting...

Live with Christians now,
Or live with Muslims later.
It is up to you...


6 posted on 01/30/2010 5:49:33 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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To: LikeLight
Do these namby-pamby secular humanist types really think their noise ordinances and drum circles are going to be enough to stand up to the encroach of Islam? Haven't they seen what is happening in Europe, as secular state after secular state is being washed away by in influx of militant Muslims?

A century from now, these lawyer's great-grandchildren are going to have a knife at their throat, and they will wonder where it all went wrong. They will stare into the void without even the comfort of a decent martyrdom to comfort them.

7 posted on 01/30/2010 5:54:46 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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To: LikeLight

Sorry to get so upset. The more I think about it, the more it makes me mad that our great inheritance of Western Civilization, preserved and defended by countless heroes in ages past, is going to be frittered away because some morons can’t stand to hear church bells on a Sunday morning...


8 posted on 01/30/2010 5:57:10 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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To: LikeLight

I remember a lot of folks crowing on FR about how pleased they were when Hamtramck Michigan stopped the Muslim’s call to prayer over the loudspeakers.

I thought that was a mistake and I think this decision is a mistake. Both are at worst a minor inconvenience for the neighbors.


9 posted on 01/30/2010 6:03:06 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Oratam
I hear a nearby church ring the Angelus thrice daily...

Oh, how I miss hearing the Angelus three times daily, calling us to prayer!

10 posted on 01/30/2010 6:14:42 AM PST by Budge (Who will protect us from the protectors?)
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To: LikeLight
During the latter part of the "late unpleasantness", the Confederate Government tried to take our church's bell because the iron was badly needed for the war effort. The parishioners and the townsfolk resisted, and the bell was allowed to remain in the steeple. However, the effects of time on the wooden framework supporting the bell made it unsafe to ring it for many years.

Finally, last year one of the parishioners had had enough and rebuilt the framework for the bell. Last Trinity Sunday, the bell rang again for the first time in years... and it rang during the mass in place of the sanctus bells.

Needless to say, it was quite a moment for the congregation as well as the whole town.

I am confident that we will never have the problem of folks complaining about church bells here...

11 posted on 01/30/2010 6:30:49 AM PST by PalmettoMason (MUSLIMS BE WARNED! I am armed. And my ammo has all been dipped in pork fat.)
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To: LikeLight

I think if the bells were there first, people who built houses and moved in later have no complaint.

On the other hand, I don’t think a church should have an unlimited right to ring bells whenever they want, so I don’t mind reasonable restrictions.

Not sure whether this case was “reasoanble” or not though. Seems like overreaching.

I wouldn’t want a Mosque to get permission to broadcast prayers and use some ruling on bells to justify it.


12 posted on 01/30/2010 6:38:20 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: All

Great comments and discussion. I had to step away, great to come back and find all this excellent discourse.


13 posted on 01/30/2010 7:11:05 AM PST by LikeLight (FReepin tweetz @StephenLBloom)
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To: sueuprising
campanology

"the study of bells"

A totally new word for me.

14 posted on 01/30/2010 7:51:35 AM PST by LikeLight (FReepin tweetz @StephenLBloom)
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To: Oratam
I imagine that bell ringing throughout the centuries in cities and villages.

Powerful.

15 posted on 01/30/2010 8:51:26 AM PST by LikeLight (FReepin tweetz @StephenLBloom)
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To: Haiku Guy
...our great inheritance of Western Civilization, preserved and defended by countless heroes in ages past, is going to be frittered away...

It's mind numbing the way we, as a culture, seem to be intent on destroying the very things that have made us strong. Cultural suicide.

16 posted on 01/30/2010 4:17:50 PM PST by LikeLight (FReepin tweetz @StephenLBloom)
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