Posted on 11/06/2009 6:51:36 AM PST by Stoutcat
Does anyone wonder why Methodist Dick Cheney didn’t run over his own daughter when she came out of the (gasp) gay closet?
Or why anaesthesiologist Capt. Mary Hanna didn’t decide to stage a massacre at her Army base because she had a resurgence of her Coptic Christian faith just before being deployed?
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NO!!!!
....or any other civilization for that matter....
How any sane person can belong to this “religion” is beyond me. It is PURE EVIL.
Amazing read and good point. I knew when it happened that it was going to have an Islam link, also that the news media and the government would try to downplay that.
This case proves one thing about our experience with Islam….One does not pet a rabid dog.
Geee....uhhh...NO.
Chalk up our nation’s inability( unwillingness) to face truth that violently slaps our face to the Disneyfication of all things.
Mice are cute and funny-not disease carrying rodents.
Predators are noble and admirable and get along with all other animals.
Which is why you have stupid people climbing into lion enclosures to pet them( only to be mauled). Because pretending the tiger wants to be friends does not change its nature. It’s not a house cat and you’re food.
Isl;am is not just another religion to co-exist with.
Twelve soldiers in Ft. Hood pretended that Muslim Major was just like them because he wore the same uniform.
Now they’re dead.
Here ended the lesson.
It is a form of tyranny-in this case, dressed up as religion so it can (and did) get a pass from the civilized world and from foolishly tolerant believers of other faiths.
We are now paying for our tolerance for so many centuries of this bogus ‘faith’
On top of it all they celebrate the MOON for God’s sake!
Western Civilization just happens to actually function under the same preconceived notions that “ALL” religions function under, that being “exceptionalism” and “utopianism” now if someone can explain how “western civilization” does not equate with crackpot notions such as Islam I’d like to hear it, since it might very well be a scientific breakthrough, otherwise it mostly just amounts to metaphysical mumbo jumbo about capitalist socialist spiritual mumbo jumbo purporting to be the “singular” truth, to be honest I’m not even being rhetorical, I really would like an answer, Islam has everything to do with being “modern” and in fact maybe a reaction towards such modernism upon traditionist notions of muslim experience. The very notion of progress, how shall I say it...maybe mostly an ancient notion, but science believes in it as well, which makes it a “utopian” BS as well.
According to our self-appointed “experts” in the news media, we are supposed to go into a collective coma and flagellate ourselves because of our persistent discrimination against Muslims - evidence of which is distinctly lacking.
I just want to know how much longer we are going to have to tolerate this in our midst. They can behave however barbarically they want to behave in Muslim countries, but if we grant them the precious gift of living here, we should not have to be subject to their barbaric ways. There is no question, Mr. Stoutcat. Islam is incompatible with life in the West, and the West tolerates Muslims at its peril. AT THE LEAST, there should be an immediate stop to all Muslim immigration to our country. Those who are here but are not yet citizens should not be naturalized and and should be returned to their home countries. It is the duty of our government to put our interests and safety first, and continued Muslim immigration represents a real and significant threat to our safety. NO MORE, NO WAY. And no refugees and asylum seekers, either.
Ray, step back from the keyboard and take a deep breath. Your screed is more than confused, it's myopic as well. Try again after a couple of valium..
My point was that “modernism” actually doesn’t exist, that it in fact maybe nothing more than a “western” notion. It implies a barbaric past and a notion of “utopia”, that was my point. Which also happens to be the modus operandi of all “religions”, the traditionalists are just buying into scularism by believing in a “utopia” as well, in fact the “modernism” that they hate so much was spawned by the very “traditionalism” they love to claim superior to the “west” and many in the “west” claim the cause of all our questions of meaning and doubt.
I recently read a book called Straw Dogs by John Gray, in the book it points out the absurdity of “modernism” being something distinct from the past since it maybe nothing more than a function of the very traditionalism that so scorns it.
Would you also have difficulty distinguishing between "Western Civilization" and the Soviet Union?
No "scientific breakthrough" is needed - science already offers ample tools - examine each alternative as a black box with defined inputs and then compare the outputs.
It works with electronics and computer software, and, wonder of wonders, it works for civilizations as well...
(a.k.a. something like "by their fruits you shall know them)...
Civilizations are not what I would call “electronics” or such, most people consider them accidents of geography, maybe more or less extensions of religion and the fanaticism that follows from group think or just plain old “insanity”. If you go back far enough they all stem from utopianism and the fear of “lightning”, etc. Nazism was not just “socialist” it was also a cult of “utopianism” same with ALL governments ever in history, in that sense all civilization maybe nothing more than a string of death cults founded on the backs of religious leaders and their followers...Giambittista Vico said so much himself in his books and he was spared from the inquisition mostly by accident. I’m just tired of the metaphysical con artists run amuck!
So called rational muslims are in the wrong faith.
The problem seems to me with the “idea of faith” itself. That implies “certainty” which implies an unchanging belief, which I think has to have something to do with religious fundamentalism, the idea that one cannot be wrong or does represent the “correct” opinion, wasn’t that the reason they attacked us on 911, since we don’t subscribe to “their” faith and doesn’t that seem to be the usual reason anyone does attack people besides for revenge? If faith itself were what the war was against then I think that would end Islam as we know it, but the PC press and people don’t want to “offend” the muslims and I might also add christians as well, since they express a “faith” as well, that seems to me the problem not what faith, but faith itself, it seems to lead to things like Nazi’s, 911, Communism, Mao, etc. Unchanging faith in being right in being able to murder other people simply cause they don’t look like you or act like you, a faith in one’s self or nation.
The ...Nazi’s, 911, Communism, Mao, etc. Unchanging faith in being right in being able to murder other people simply cause they don’t look like you or act like you, a faith in one’s self or nation.
That you confuse Judeo-Christian values with slaughter seems very sad to me.
I don’t confuse “faith” of any kind, they all pretty much think of themselves as never wrong, wasn’t it einstein whom said “the definition of insanity maybe doing the same thing over and over.” What does it matter if something created us or not? That would be like saying the sun giving rise in the morning only enhances my faith in a flat earth. I didn’t say that something out there in the vastness “might” not exist, I only say from my data it either would be the vastness of all existence throughout all time that exists as one organism and we maybe just a part of this thing, or that maybe not the case, but I don’t think it gives me the right to claim “exceptionalism” for “western civilization” or some “man-made” belief system, I guess we must respect the beliefs of snails and turtles now too? I have no problem with nature but I accept it as I am able to understand it, and I try not to speculate as to the meaning of such sense experience, for I find the meaning to not appear relevant and sad to say the beginning of the end of “interacting processes”.
Well in what way does Christian values justify “torture” given that jesus was tortured to death, how can anyone rationalize such behavior unless one thinks of muslims as merely animals, and if you can go that far you might as well think that of any religious group or political group of humans, if christians can sanction this behavior than certainly the term itself has lost meaning. I find it appalling to think it maybe justified due to the barbarism of some muslim belief system, barbarism plus barbarism just seems like it maybe not the path to enlightenment to me, neither does a endless love fest over science seem to me an answer either, that seems to go crazy while placed into groups of “progress” in fact most scientists and religious people seem mostly crazy to me, operating on a primitive “fight or flight” response to everything in their environment.
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