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Strategic Defaults and Morality - Does Anyone Care?
LA TIMES ^ | 10042009 | Kenneth R. Harney

Posted on 10/04/2009 10:37:29 AM PDT by TheDailyChange

>>>People who default strategically and lose their houses appear to understand the consequences of what they're doing. Piyush Tantia, an Oliver Wyman partner and a principal researcher on the study, said strategic defaulters "are clearly sophisticated," based on the patterns of selective payments observable in their credit files. For example, they tend not to default on home equity lines of credit until after they bail out on their main mortgages, sometimes to draw down more cash on the equity line.

>>>Strategic defaulters often go straight from perfect payment histories to no mortgage payments at all. This is in stark contrast with most financially distressed borrowers, who try to keep paying on their mortgage even after they've fallen behind on other accounts.

>>>Strategic defaulters may know that their credit scores will be severely depressed by their mortgage abandonment, Tantia said, but they appear to look at it as a business decision: "Well, I'm $200,000 in the hole on my house, and yes, I'll damage my credit," he said of defaulters. But they see it as the most practical solution under the circumstances.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: homeowners; realestate; strategicdefaults
>>>People who default strategically and lose their houses appear to understand the consequences of what they're doing. Piyush Tantia, an Oliver Wyman partner and a principal researcher on the study, said strategic defaulters "are clearly sophisticated," based on the patterns of selective payments observable in their credit files. For example, they tend not to default on home equity lines of credit until after they bail out on their main mortgages, sometimes to draw down more cash on the equity line.

>>>Strategic defaulters often go straight from perfect payment histories to no mortgage payments at all. This is in stark contrast with most financially distressed borrowers, who try to keep paying on their mortgage even after they've fallen behind on other accounts.

>>>Strategic defaulters may know that their credit scores will be severely depressed by their mortgage abandonment, Tantia said, but they appear to look at it as a business decision: "Well, I'm $200,000 in the hole on my house, and yes, I'll damage my credit," he said of defaulters. But they see it as the most practical solution under the circumstances.

1 posted on 10/04/2009 10:37:30 AM PDT by TheDailyChange
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To: TheDailyChange
I am not a sophisticated economist, but I do know how to "connect the dots". Please tell me how I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that the bailouts Paulson recommended were contingent on "saving the economy" on people honoring their mortgages. If folks are going to refuse to be the suckers required by the bailouts won't the intent of the bailouts not be met? Just axin...

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2 posted on 10/04/2009 10:43:58 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: TheDailyChange

The author is Kenneth R. Harney — not TDC. Confused attempt.


3 posted on 10/04/2009 10:45:45 AM PDT by Misterioso (The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: TheDailyChange

>>but they appear to look at it as a business decision:

We live in a society where “It’s just a business decision” is used to justify abandonment of morals and humanity like “I was only following orders” was used by the Nazis.


4 posted on 10/04/2009 10:47:19 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: TheDailyChange
The L.A. Times giving a lecture on morality. Amazing.

Our entire legal system is based upon lawyers exploiting the law to their monetary advantage.

Nobody ever worries about whether lawyers are "moral."

The Washington criminals wrote crooked laws to benefit certain people with the correct skin color, and other people figure out how to exploit those laws to their own advantage.

I fail to see any problem here, other than the fact that the L.A. Times thinks the laws should only be exploited by protected minorities and trial lawyers.

5 posted on 10/04/2009 10:48:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Misterioso

My mistake, I was not trying to pass off as the Author. Otherwise I would not have put the link to the LA TIMES.

Sorry!

The bottom line point concern here is:

What will happen to the American economy when millions of Americans make a “Business is Business” decision and pursue a strategic default?


6 posted on 10/04/2009 10:50:19 AM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: TheDailyChange

Shrug. I see no problem with this. The banks already got billions in welfare money from us anyway so they won’t be missing anything if people default on their mortgages.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 10:58:20 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
To tell you the truth, I rather think that mixing economics with morality is a mistake. I mean, that's where the who "social justice" concept of the Marxists come from -- "You are a rich businessman, I am a poor lay-about. That's an immoral imbalance, and Social Justice demands that I receive a good deal of your earnings."

I say Fie upon all that. Follow the law and make legal economic decisions. Don't think about the morality of your economic decisions. Sorry, but there it is. If you violate the law (and refusal to pay your debts may well fall into this category) then you deserve to be punished. But as long as the laws are followed, do what thou wilt.

Morality is very important, but I'm just not sure it overlaps with economics.

8 posted on 10/04/2009 11:00:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: TheDailyChange
Good for reposting this. It is a couple weeks old, but brings up points that are still valid. If you are interested in the topic, check “ Homeowners who 'strategically default' on loans a growing problem,” for more comments about this article.

This is caused by the ridiculous bubble we had, and the depth of the fall in home prices. And it was intentional on the part of some people.

Let’s say you saw the prices in your city neighborhood going up back in 2001-2003 time frame. You aren’t sure where it is going, but you refinance, pull some equity out, and use the money to buy some acreage in the country.

A few years later, 2004-2005 time frame, the rocket is still shooting up. Your home in the city has appreciated significantly. You refinance again, take your new equity from appreciation out, and frame in a shell of a “country vacation home” with the proceeds of the refinance.

Then, early 2007 comes around, your city home has appreciated, but your job is looking shakey and the future doesn’t look so good. The Dems have taken over the Congress, and you think hard financial times might be on the horizon. You take out a HELOC, max it out and finish the interior of your “country vacation home.”

Late 2008, comes, you've lost your job in the city, things are bad. You are leveraged to the hilt and 40% upside down on your city home. Why not walk away, move to the country, live in your free and clear “vacation home” and let the bank deal with the mess in the city.

That isn’t a hypthetical situation. That is how a lot of my new neighbors in North Georgia (before I moved to FL this summer) came to be where they are today.

9 posted on 10/04/2009 11:04:21 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Morality is very important, but I'm just not sure it overlaps with economics.

And it certainly is not the same thing as "legality."

The more numerous and complex laws are, the less moral the legal system.

10 posted on 10/04/2009 11:07:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I see this sort of thing as similar to declaring bankruptcy. Yes, we should all pay the bills that we have knowlingly incurred. But there may come a time when the only thing that makes sense is to cut your losses and start over.


11 posted on 10/04/2009 11:16:31 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
The fact of the matter is that Washington swells like Bawney Fwank manipulated the mortgage system to buy the votes of black people and stack the deck against everybody else.

You can't blame "everybody else" when they figure out a way to defend themselves.

12 posted on 10/04/2009 11:20:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: cc2k

What you have drawn is almost a fingerprint of some of my bankruptcy clients in the Atlanta area. They are making a rational decision to surrender property which is underwater (financially) by perhaps 45% of its purchase price, and which will not appreciate to a point above the principal mortgage balance during the remainder of their lifetimes. I’ll leave the ethical evaluation of that to others who care to bat it around. But the rational, or strategic, decision to default is made by folks like this with their eyes wide open. I think it’s about time the media recognized this and broadcast the fact that it is not simply the poor widows, orphans and children who are being “victimized” by foreclosure, who fit their dramatic template so well.


13 posted on 10/04/2009 11:39:56 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: TheDailyChange

Let the dems be the scumbags and crooks. We don’t need this type of convoluted crap...


14 posted on 10/04/2009 11:41:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSM BIAS: the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell)
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To: TheDailyChange
Let the dems be the scumbags and crooks. We don't need this type of convoluted crap...

Doing "wrong" is ALWAYS more convenient and eaier in the short run. IN the long run it'll ruin the only real possession any of us have - our souls.

15 posted on 10/04/2009 11:44:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSM BIAS: the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell)
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To: TheDailyChange
Going Galt with their mortgage payments, so to speak?

(Putting the money to productive uses rather than feeding parasites...)

Cheers!

16 posted on 10/04/2009 1:00:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TheDailyChange
What will happen to the American economy when millions of Americans make a “Business is Business” decision and pursue a strategic default?

It has already happened. The fat's in the fire and it's everyone for himself (just like it was when "home buyers" were "spending" money right and left like there was such a thing as a free lunch.

17 posted on 10/04/2009 4:11:59 PM PDT by Misterioso (The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Bryanw92

I’m sure many abortions began as “business decisions.”


18 posted on 10/04/2009 7:03:26 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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