Obama Liar stigma to follow him?

examiner.com ^ | September 11, 2009 | Martha

[usalady]

While Rep. Joe Wilson has been condemned for calling Obama a liar, he performed a service because even the over-fawning media that have been ignoring the contradictions in the President's speeches are suddenly taking notice, many of them for the first time.

Now there is more "fact checking" on statements made by Obama who tries to cast himself in the role of truth-teller, combating “bogus claims” and “misinformation” about his big government health care plan. “If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out,” Obama warned his critics.

[usalady]

According to the Associated Press, after "fact-checking", it found that Obama was doing as some stretching of the truth himself:

[marron]

The minute O started calling Republicans liars from the podium, he ought to have found himself in a half-empty auditorium.

[mbarker12474]

Has somebody here compiled a list of transcript quotes of the Obama calling his critics liars, or similar?

[fantom]

This is great . Wilson will collect big money. The more the idiot lefties push this crap , the more the we hear the word liar and the name obama. Perfect..

[Mr. K]

it should...

[himno hero]

OBAMA = LIAR

Consistent with his identity! The ultimate liar! The manchurian who locked up his past to be hidden from the light of day!

[Ev Reeman]

Obummer should apologize for being a liar before anybopdy else does.

[Scoutmaster]

Obama was lying, at least according to the Congressional Research Service - which is the fact-checker that matters.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS) reports to Congress on the content of proposed legislation in much the same way as the Congressional Budget Office reports on the financial impact of (among other things) proposed legislation. The CRS is nonpartisan.

On August 25, 2009, the CRS issued a report, titled "Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200", to all members of Congress. The report is only eleven pages long and is available at Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200.

Are illegal aliens going to be allowed to participate in Obama's healthcare program. "Allowed" isn't the word. According to the CRS (and with some minor exceptions), illegal aliens who are in the country for more than 182 days a year for three years in a row are required to have health insurance through a Health Insurance Exchange, which would include the Public Option insurance plan. From the report:

• "unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test [Note: essentially, are in the U.S. for 183 or more days out of the current and previous two years]), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance" (page 2, paragraph 2);

• "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange — whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present" (page 2, paragraph 3) [meaning, illegal aliens may purchase Public Option insurance]

• "aliens who could be classified as resident aliens [Note: are in the country 183 or more days out of the current and previous two years] would be required under the bill to have health insurance" (page 2, paragraph 3)

• "all . . . unauthorized aliens who meet the substantial presence test [Note: the 183-day test] would be required to obtain health insurance" (page 7, paragraph 1);

• "it would appear that unauthorized aliens who meet the substantial presence test [Note: the 183-day test] would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance" (page 7, paragraph 1);

• "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange [Note: the Exchange includes the Public Option]" (page 7, paragraph 2);

• "H.R. 3200 would only mandate that resident aliens [Note: a defined term that includes illegal aliens who are meet the 183-day test] would be required to have health insurance" (page 7, paragraph 2);

• "Some have expressed concerns that since H.R. 3200 does not contain a mechanism to verify immigration status, the prohibitions on certain noncitizens (e.g, nonimmigrants and unauthorized aliens) receiving the credits may not be enforced. ... [A]bsent of a provision in the bill specifying the verification procedure, that the [Health Choices] Commissioner would be responsible for determining a mechanism to verify the eligibility of noncitizens for the credits" (page 8, paragraph 4; page 9, paragraph 1);

• Based on changes made by the bill to the Medicaid and State Children's Health Insurance Program, "aliens who are otherwise eligible for Medicaid except for their immigration status (e.g., unauthorized aliens . . .) may receive 'medical assistance under Title XIX of the Social Security Act ... for care and emergency services that are necessary for the treatment of an emergency medical condition (as defined in Section 1903(v)(3) of such Act) of the alien involved and are not related to an organ transplant procedure' [Note: They're eligible for that emergency Medicaid care for five years]" (page 10, paragraph 2).

So . . . did Obama lie? He had access to this report for more than two weeks before he gave his speech. According to the analysis of H.R. 3200 by the body Congress trusts to analyze its legislation, illegal aliens are allowed to purchase Public Option insurance (shoot, they are REQUIRED to buy insurance if they've been in the country for 183 days or more each of the last three years. And the only bar to illegal aliens receiving credits to do so is IF the Health Choices Commissioner institutes guidelines to prevent them from doing so. According to the CRS, illegal aliens can receive emergency Medicaid for up to five years under H.R. 3200.

Did Obama lie? Well . . . his lips were moving.

[Buckeye McFrog]

what Wilson did was a variation on the old Perry Mason “I withdraw the question, Your Honor” tactic. Once you’ve planted a seed in the minds of the jury/public, your withdrawl or apology is irrelevant.

[Zarro]

And it appears that Wilson is vindicated! See this recent news blurb:
Working on keeping illegals out of health care

...and you have to check out the Pelosi quote. NOW, she wants to drill. Witch.

[Lady Jag]

Even more honest people after fact-checking, found that Obama's lies actually preceded his birth!

[RummyChick]

Judge says you WILL have to cover the illegal immigrants and calls out Obama on the claim. It will be unconstitutional if you don’t cover them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8scQhYymPO8

[GloriaJane]

[marron]

Yes. Its impossible to have a system in which illegals would not be covered. You’re not going to leave people to die in the streets.

The only way to avoid covering illegals is to not have them, either because you amnestied them, which may be O’s intent, or because you took control of your borders. Which would be what most people would prefer.

[fightinJAG]

Excellent!