Posted on 08/04/2009 10:30:23 AM PDT by Michael Eden
The big lie: Democrats do not want a government takeover of your health care. This claim is so blatantly false that it is positively unreal. But count on Obama and his propagandists to keep repeating the big lie over and over and over again.
As health care plan continued to sink in public approval, Obama recently said:
“First of all,” Mr. Obama said, “nobody is talking about some government takeover of health care. I’m tired of hearing that. I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I’ve proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody, you know?”When Obama says you can keep your plan, he's not telling you the truth - as his plan itself reveals. This Wall Street Journal article is utterly damning in its exposure of what the Democrat's plan quietly takes away in five years. But for the time being, let's stick with Obama's claim that "nobody's talking about some government takeover of health care."
"What are not legitimate concerns are those being put forward claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system. … So, when you hear the naysayers claim that I’m trying to bring about government-run health care, know this - they are not telling the truth."The only problem is that that is patently and demonstrably false. Barack Obama is lying to you without shame.
NOBODY is talking about some government takeover of health care? Nobody is talking about bringing government run health care? Really, Barry Hussein? Then how about Democrat Barney Frank, chairman of the powerful House Financial Services Committee?
Asked on July 27th why we shouldn't simply start out with a single payer government takeover of the health care system, Barney Frank responded:
"Because we don’t have the votes for it. I wish we did. I think that if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer and that is the best way to reach single payer. Saying you’ll do nothing till you get single payer is a sure way never to get it. … I think the best way we’re going to get single payer, the only way, is to have a public option and demonstrate the strength of its power."Watch him yourself:
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In other words - after acknowledging that liberals don't have either the popular American support or the votes in Congress for a single payer government-run universal health care system - Frank proceeds to say that the best pathway to that very system that "nobody is talking about" is the Democrat's "public option."
Nobody's talking about it, Barry? You liar!
How about Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky, who co-sponsored HR-676?
She said:
“A public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer” – Rep. Jan Schakowsky (to wild applause).You can watch her, too.
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Schakowsky clearly states that her "public option" will put the private insurers out of business, which will necessarily lead to government Obamacare. As the public option artificially lowers prices by constant subsidies from taxpayer dollars, how can private insurers who MUST make at least break even stay in business? And when the private insurers are gone, what possibility will be left but government care?
Senator Russ Feingold similarly sees the ultimate goal of the current health care plan to be a single-payer universal health care system. And, yes, you can watch him saying it, too.
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Well, maybe Obama is just hunkering down in his bunker completely ignorant of what Democrats are saying all around him, one might argue.
Sorry, Charlie. That falls down on its face because of the simple fact that Barack Obama himself is on the record being a proponent and advocate of a government-run single payer universal health care system.
"The very first promise I made on this campaign was that as president I will sign a universal health care plan into law by the end of my first term in office."B- bu- bu- but Barry Hussein said "nobody's talking" about a government takeover. B- bu- bu- but he's on record vowing to SIGN just such a universal health care bill into law by the end of his term. How can you say "nobody's talking about it" when you promised to sign "it" into law by the end of your term?
And this wasn't some come-late-to-the-party talking point. Oh, no. Here is Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”So, when Barack Hussein Obama says, "nobody's talking about some government takeover of health care," he couldn't be more personally dishonest. He is lying to the American people. HE HIMSELF been talking about it, and he's been talking about it for YEARS. Just as many other Democrats have been and are right now talking about it.
And "Trojan horse"? Oh, yeah, a Trojan horse with massively high costs due to inherent government inefficiency, political pork, and fraud, and with rationing of health care resources leading to delays and flat denial of care, is being wheeled into the United States of America. Open it at your grandparent's peril.
And don't think that these people won't fight as dirty as necessary to win.
“This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about a strategy for getting there, and I believe we will” – Rep. Jan SchakowskiSo it's a Trojan horse that can be smuggled into our camp using the most deceptive and deceitful means, because this isn't about principle, but about Statists imposing the total government control over our lives they've always yearned for.
Or you can ask influential Democrat health care strategist Dr. Jacob Hacker:
“Someone once said to me that this is a Trojan horse for single-payer, and I said, ‘Well it’s not a Trojan horse, right? It’s just right there! I’m telling you! We’re going to get there. Over time, slowly, but we’ll move away from reliance on employment-based health insurance – as we should – but we’ll do it in a way that we’re not going to frighten people into thinking they are going to lose their private insurance” – Dr. Jacob Hacker, New America Foundation.Hacker denies that the "public option" is a Trojan horse for the simple reason that it is so blatantly OBVIOUS that it's not really a "Trojan horse" - it's just "right there" in your face. His plan is to treat the American people like the proverbial frog in the pot of heating water: don't frighten us into jumping out; just gradually cook us to death.
White House shills are accusing conservatives of taking these politicians out of context. But you can watch them yourself to see that they are on the record saying EXACTLY what we say they are saying. And it's a deceitful and fraudulent pack of lies to claim anything else. You're not supposed to believe what your lying eyes see and what your lying ears hear: you're supposed to just believe the shifting liberal talking points that adjust the Democrat's propaganda and demagoguery to suit the needs of the moment.
Did I say "demagoguery"? I think I did! So I'd better cite Nancy Pelosi, the Demagogue of the House of Representatives herself:
“They are the villains in this,” Pelosi said of private insurers. “They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening. And the public has to know that. They can disguise their arguments any way they want, but the fact is that they don’t want the competition.”…Just realize that 84% of Americans are satisfied with the quality of care they are receiving from these "immoral villains." Meanwhile, it's NANCY PELOSI Americans overwhelmingly view as being "immoral" and "villainous."“It’s almost immoral what they are doing,” added Pelosi, who stood outside her office long after her press conference ended to continue speaking to reporters, even as aides tried in vain to usher her inside. “Of course they’ve been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure with pre-existing conditions, you know, the litany of it all.”
Apart from the patent dishonesty and demagoguery, ask yourself this question: "Without the private health insurance that Nancy Pelosi - and now the Democrat Party itself - is demonizing, how long do you think we'd have our present private health care system? The answer is, "Less than a nanosecond."
So every single time you hear a Democrat attack private health insurers, just recognize that they are in fact attacking the private health care system, even as they seek to impose on you a choice-denying, care-depriving, exorbitantly expensive government system in its place.
You literally cannot trust anything the Democrats are saying on health care. They are lying about literally everything as they try to impose socialized medicine onto a once-free society.
The Healthers are claiming that there was a conspiracy to edit the tapes and twist Obama’s words.
The Healthers are claiming that there was a conspiracy funded by the GOP and insurance industry to pay people to disrupt townhall meetings held by Democrat politicians.
The Healthers make the DemocRat Party look foolish.
President Bush gaffed when he’d say the wrong word.
President Obama gaffes when he tells his honest opinion.
One gets the sense that Obama-as-messiah’s words are illegitimate if directly quoted by a conservative. They lose their magic power.
I have frankly been amazed by how many times I have heard some liberal coming on trying to explain what Obama, or Biden, or Pelosi - or fill in your favorite liberal - actually meant.
Sorry. The record is overwhelming that Obama and many other Democrats have been talking about the very system that we are now being accused of “taking them out of context” by citing the record.
But it gets worse. Because they deny that they’re talking about government health care even as they are trying to shove it down our throats!!!
Maybe you haven't caught on yet but ANYTIME a conservative quotes a liberal, it is considered "unfair".
Oh, oh,
I guess that means they’re going to think it’s “unfair” when we start hunting them down with dogs, then.
I remember how it sure was “unfair” when Joe the Plumber heard Barack Obama talk about “spreading the wealth around” and responded by saying, “That sounds like socialism to me.” You’d have thought he had said, “I like to slowly cook children alive and then eat them.”
Telling the truth is always “unfair” to a liar. Lies just don’t like to be around the truth.
I have 2 questions for the president.
“You went to college, what is the underlying principle of Marxism? Followup question, how are your proposals different?”
It’s fair since Sarah Palin was asked about “the Bush Doctrine”.
“You went to college, what is the underlying principle of Marxism? Followup question, how are your proposals different?”
That is excellent.
Those 2 questions would be utterly devastating - which is why you can be sure that they will NEVER be asked by the mainstream media.
By the way, my answer to the first question would be the famous quote from Marx:
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”
And I do in fact find myself puzzling how Obama would be justified in saying, “Why, that doesn’t sound like me at ALL.”
I disagree with you.
Small businesses that actually hire workers are TERRIFIED about Obamacare. They don’t want it, and are fighting against it with everything they’ve got.
So I don’t think you can accuse them of “loving” universal health care. They understand that they will be paying for it right up the butt.
As for some of the big companies, you can go right back to some of the worst policies of FDR’s New Deal, where he allowed big businesses to write the laws in a way that drove their smaller competitors right out of business.
Which is why the 2008 debates were a fraud. BEYOND the fact that they provided some of the questions to the candidates (and we think the 21 scandal of the 1950s was big news), where was the conservative panel of questioners? Everyone on the debates was a lib. Even the youtube debate was run by liberal activists and staffers.
Like when the all the Democrat presidential candidates showed up for a debate hosted by the hard-core leftwing hate organization the Daily Kos, but then boycotted a debate by Fox News.
Rabid leftist hate rants (such as cheering the agonizing death so bravely faced by Tony Snow) is fine. Being the recognized most fair and balanced news station by study after study is terrible.
” if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan.”
Trouble with this is if you change jobs, you will not be able to keep your current health care plan unless you are willing to pay the whole premium (100%). And I think Cobra only covers people who become unemployed, And I think it only lasts 18 to 24 months Otherwise the goal is to force you into the government mandated health plan.
If you want to get a new plan, you are stuck.
I haven’t moved from state to state with private healthcare (from an employer or privately paid) but I do know that the coverage and laws vary from state to state so you may not even be able to MOVE and keep your insurance even if you stay with the same employer.
The end goal is to get you off your current plan. Even if that takes 10-20 years.
Great post M.E.! Thanks for the work.
Jimmy,
Make sure to read that Wall St. Journal article I refer to.
It can’t be more clear: it repeals the Erisa act under which most businesses that provide health insurance provide their care.
By the way, has anyone seen the commercial with Obama and George Lopez plugging Gorge’s upcoming late night show. I asw it last night. Just when I think my opinion of Obama could not get any lower, he proves me wrong. Has anyone ever seen a sitting president do a television commercial? After they left office Bush and Clinton together did one, but I think that was for the Tsunami Relief Fund...something quite different than what Obama has done.
Yeah I guess I screwed up (:-(
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