from Harvard Law School to Candidate-'Elect', absolves the Islamist government in Sudan
of sponsoring slavery. Obama appears to work with slavers. Will the USA, too?
"Its not the crime it the coverup" - Laura. I.
Posted on 10/23/2008 9:13:23 AM PDT by GoingBacktoCali
Because Obama's college grades were not stellar, it follows that Obama needed some help getting into Harvard Law School. By now, many conservatives have heard that Khalid Al-Mansour was the man who helped Obama get into Harvard.
This amazing story first came to light during a television interview with Percy Sutton, the former Borough President of Manhattan. During that interview, Sutton revealed that at the time Obama was applying to Harvard, Al-Mansour was raising money for Obama and Al-Mansour also asked Sutton to pull some strings at Harvard on Obama's behalf. If you haven't seen this remarkable clip of Sutton relaying the story, I highly recommend you watch it now on YouTube. It is must-see tv.
Having established that Al-Mansour wanted Obama to get into Harvard Law, the next logical questions are: (i) who is Khalid Al-Mansour? and (ii) why did he want so badly for Obama to be accepted to Harvard Law?
(Excerpt) Read more at neoconlatina.blogspot.com ...
"Its not the crime it the coverup" - Laura. I.
And Obama was black too so he already didn’t need great grades to get in.
For comparison, a typical Harvard App needs a 170/3.8 to get in with good ec’s. (98th percentile)
A minority candidate can pull a 165/3.5. (80th percentile) and not good enough for any white student at a top 14 law school.
Obama did even worse than this.
Did al-Mansour ever cross paths with Stanley Ann Dunham?
its my opinion that Obama is a manufactured and marketed product by the far left communist wing of the democrat party. what is making millions of people buy this product? the press?
BTT!
“For comparison, a typical Harvard App needs a 170/3.8 to get in with good ec’s. (98th percentile)
A minority candidate can pull a 165/3.5. (80th percentile) and not good enough for any white student at a top 14 law school.
Obama did even worse than this.”
Can you point me to Obama’s actual scores? I haven’t seen them.
They are not out. I’m just positing from the article given how he still needed help when a typical AA candidate gets in with those stats and no extracurriculars.
Thanks, that’s what I thought.
Sarah Palin,on the other hand, did well on her SAT scores....though the media said otherwise.
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2008/10/fake-palin-sat-scores-fool-left-o.html
Fake Palin SAT Scores Fool Left-O-Sphere
This makes me wonder if Obama’s Magna Cum Laude graduation from Harvard was legitimate.
This fraud's entire existence, essence, and so-called "credentials" are ALL illegitimate. He's been given the Red Carpet treatment his entire life.
Here it is - barely a week and a half from the election and Darth 0bama's citizenship status is still in question.
Since his grades have not been released, how would anyone know?
By now, many conservatives have heard that Khalid Al-Mansour was the man who helped Obama get into Harvard.
This amazing story first came to light during a television interview with Percy Sutton, the former Borough President of Manhattan.
The Obama campaign has totally denied that Obama ever knew al-Mansour and has said that to their knowledge Sutton never wrote a letter for Obama. Now al-Mansour has also denied the whole story. Al-Mansour and others have implied that the origin of the story may be due to Sutton's senility (He's 87).
Another factor that doesn't make sense about the story is that the exact dollar amount of Obama's HLS loans has previously been reported (over $40000). He probably wouldn't have needed loans if he was being bankrolled by the world's richest man.
The fact that Obama did not graduate with any honors has been confirmed by Columbia. Check the underlying link.
You can toss that “denial” in the same pile as Obama’s claim that he never knew Rev Wright was a racist and that he didn’t know anything about Ayers’ past. Watch the link on YouTube in which Sutton explains the situation. Here is entirely coherent in that interview. It was intended as a softball question, and Sutton inadvertently spilled the beans about something that no one knew about.
1)Harvard Law School costs over $200k now. I don’t know what it cost back then but it was still a lot. And its a degree that pays off in the long run, more so back then before rampant university inflation.
2)Everyone got honors at harvard back then. Like 80% of students did. They cut it back recently a few years back to a little under half i believe. Obama could’ve sent an ape to harvard law in his stead and gotten honors back then.
The tuition for HLS next year is $41,500. It's quite believable that the tuition has gone up by a factor of 3 in 20 years as this would match up with other colleges. Obama's loans IIRC for all three years were around $43000 so it looks like he used loans for almost all the tuition cost. He didn't need a rich Saudi benefactor.
2)Everyone got honors at harvard back then. Like 80% of students did. They cut it back recently a few years back to a little under half i believe. Obama could’ve sent an ape to harvard law in his stead and gotten honors back then.
I don't think this is true. My impression is that honors, like grade inflation, have been going up. At Harvard College, all Latin honors are limited to 50% of the class. But the high honors such as magna cum laude (which Obama received) and summa are limited to a total of 20% of the class. No matter what the trend in Latin honors, they definitely weren't giving out a high percentage of magna's at any time in the past.
Interesting. But I note that in the comments somoone claiming to be a Columbia student says that Columbia only gives honors to students who are there at least three years. I don't doubt that Obama's Occidental grades may have weighed down his 4-year average as well, although having attended another Ivy league college, I do not recall encountering any totally unqualified students who transferred in.
You can toss that “denial” in the same pile as Obama’s claim that he never knew Rev Wright was a racist and that he didn’t know anything about Ayers’ past. Watch the link on YouTube in which Sutton explains the situation.
I did watch it a few weeks ago and at first I thought it was quite believable. But the fact that they even deny that Sutton wrote a letter, that no one else has connected Obama and al-Mansour, and the fact that Obama did not need the purported Saudi financing since he had taken out loans close to the full tuition cost, leaves the story entirely reliant on the memory and veracity of an 87 year old man.
1) That is tuition. Combined with living expenses, it reaches over 60k a year so about 180k total. My bad.
2) I don’t know how magna was aportioned before. Law School scores are not subjective by any means. The faculty at harvard is mostly extremely liberal now and every conservative knows you have to bend over backwards even by legal standards to justify Roe v. wade. From the only article that has come out of Obama from his law school years, he toed the liberal line in not giving fetuses legal rights.
Errata: Objective* by any means ...
I still say Obama’s been groomed (prepared, educated, trained) from way back. So, in a sense, he IS the chosen one. Who chose him? At this point, we don’t know.
Other posts on here have discussed how grading works at HLS:
1. The grades in law school courses depend entirely on the final exam.
2. When the professors receive the final exams they contain only code numbers in place of identifying names. Grading is anonymous.
I do not think it is plausible that any student could earn consistently good grades in all their courses merely by spouting left-wing propaganda on all their exams.
Obama has no reason to release his transcript as long as he is running against someone who cannot brag about academic success. Perhaps he also doesn't want the titles of his courses to be discussed.
My own expectation would be that he did fairly impressive but not "stellar" work at Columbia. I have no doubt that the admissions committee at HLS looked quite favorably on his community organizing. As an aspiring politician he probably had some good recommendation letters. And it is quite believable that he did well on the LSAT.
Al-Mansour later said he refused to deny the story out of "courtesy" to Sutton, but that makes no sense.
Yes, it does. He didn't want to be in the position of calling an old man who is his friend a senile liar.
Here is the part of the article I linked to in which al-Mansour totally denies the story. If he was lying this could be proven wrong by anyone who could place Obama and al-Mansour together or prove they knew of each other before 2004.:
UPDATE: I spoke to Mansour Thursday evening, who said he'd avoided directly contradicting the story out of respect for Sutton, "a dear friend, his health is not good."
But pressed, he denied all the details of Sutton's story.
"The scenario as it related to me did not happen," he said.
"I’m sure he’s written a letter [to someone else] and he got it confused somehow," he said of Sutton, adding that he'd never asked Sutton to write a letter to any university supporting anyone's admission.
Mansour said he admires Obama, but first heard of him when a relative sent him a copy of Obama's 2004 convention speech.
"I've never met him," he said.
Grading is anonymous in some cases and non-anonymous in others (particularly after first year).
Yes, I am aware of that. As I said, I think it is infinitely more likely that Obama is lying about this (as was the case with Wright and Ayers) than this half-baked, after-the-fact concern about being “courteous” to Sutton. Sutton seemed perfectly coherent in that interview. The idea that Obama is trying to push — that Sutton is in fact senile — requires proof. I haven’t seen any, and moreover, the story makes perfect sense in light of what we know about Obama’s other relationships.
That's true. But I can think of one of my own relatives who, while a paragon of honesty during his life, began to get his stories mixed up in his final years.
The idea that Obama is trying to push — that Sutton is in fact senile — requires proof.
It is common for 87 year-olds to have diminished memory abilities. So it is plausible that Sutton could be mistaken unless there is some additional proof of the Obama-Mansour connection. There is lots of evidence that Obama associated with Wright and Ayers but no other evidence yet that he had anything to do with al-Mansour.
Also you seem to have nothing to say about the fact that the financial aspect of the story definitely doesn't make sense.
Either Sutton is senile or he hates Obama. He claims to be an admirer of Obama. But if that is true then he is too senile to realize that publicly connecting Obama to al-Mansour is not going to help Obama's campaign.
What about the financial aspect of the story does not make sense?
Part of the conspiracy theory about al-Mansour has been that because he is an advisor to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the Saudis must have bankrolled Obama's Harvard education. But Obama is known to have taken out loans totaling $42573 to pay for HLS which must have been close to the full cost at the time.
Damn, my friend was just asking how Obama got into college at Harvard and I just blew her off and said there were more important things about him to worry about. I need to send this to her and apologize and realize that I don’t always catch every single thing.
I am not into “conspiracy theories.” I am simply taking Sutton at his word. Although he says that Al-Mansour was raising money for Obama, he does not say anything about the Saudi government paying for Obama’s Harvard education. It’s not clear why Al-Mansour was raising money for Obama, but it could have been related to anything — including one of the “community organizing” projects.
Here’s the bottom line. Sutton unmistakably said Al-Mansoure asked him to write a letter of recommendation on Obama’s behalf. Al-Mansour confirmed that he does in fact know Obama. Case closed.
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