Confirmation: Obama Did Violate the Logan Act By Meddling in Iraq

The Neocon Latina ^ | 9/19/08 | GoingBacktoCali

[GoingBacktoCali]

I previously noted that Obama may have violated the Logan Act by trying to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay the withdrawal of US troops until after Bush had left office. In purporting to refute the charge, the Obama camp actually confirmed it by issuing a statement acknowledging that Obama had in fact asked the Iraqi leadership to not "rush through" a withdrawal until Bush left office. Well, now it appears there is additional confirmation of Obama's illegal actions.

[Lancey Howard]

LOL, yeah, now let’s see if there is a Republican politician with the spine to do something about it.
(I am not holding my breath.)

[Darkwolf377]

The original story, as predicted, got almost zero play nationally, so while this SHOULD be a huge topic of conversation, it won't be. Because the media can't predict how it will go.

The media will push "negative" Obama stories in order to appear fair, but only if they have an out for them. For example, the Wright story--after it got a certain amount of play, Obama did the "right" thing by leaving the church, and then the media backed off. Any further attacks would be seen as beating a dead horse. Of course, the meat of the story--did Obama share these views he laughably claimed he didn't know about?--was now "old news."

They won't push this story because they can't see how it will work out. And it could really hurt. So they won't touch it.

[Mojave]

This proves that Sarah Palin lacks Obama’s foreign policy experience. She never violated the Logan Act.

[maine-iac7]

LOL, yeah, now let’s see if there is a Republican politician with the spine to do something about it.

Have you emailed your reps?

Have you emailed the AG?

Have you emailed the media outlets - especially Rush, Hannity, Beck, Hume, etc?

OR have you , like most Americans succumbed to the "Washington should do everything while all I need to do is gripe" mode?

We sit back like nattering nabobs and do nothing to get a heads up on an issue and it will go no where.

I've posted this along with the emails adds several times on other threads on this.

Gov't Of the People, For the People is ALSO BY the people.

You want something done? Get busy.

[Mojave]

Have you emailed your reps? Have you emailed the AG? Have you emailed the media outlets - especially Rush, Hannity, Beck, Hume, etc?

You think they don't know?

[conservative cat]

Have you emailed your reps?

I'm represented by Murray, Cantwell, and Dicks. Some of us don't waste our time on even attempting to contact our reps.

[Glacier Honey]

You are right. I work in a very liberal place and I tend to get defeated because no-one want to even hear the truth. Obama could come out and claim he now supports Hitler and they would still love him.

I need to get busy and I have started already.

I called a number posted for Pelosi and it turned out to be her home address and the man (her assistant) was not happy and called my cell phone back twice demanding where I got her home phone number. I told him to check the white pagers. I was very respectful and simply told him I wanted her to get back to work and pass a energy bill

[GoingBacktoCali]

Ha-ha! :)

[Lancey Howard]

Have you emailed your reps?

Patrick Murphy? That kid is worthless.

Have you emailed the AG?

Sure, Bush's Justice Department will get right on it....

The Bush Justice Department

Many conservatives burrowed within the Department of Justice have long complained that Gonzales (therefore, Bush) has permitted career government employees and hold-overs from Democratic Administrations to remain in perches of power and thereby water down conservative directives from the top. As one conservative and Federalist Society member in the Justice Department told me: “This is definitely not Ronald Reagan’s Justice Department, I assure you. You have holdovers from Clinton calling the shots in a lot of places here.”

- - John Gizzi from: Should Gonzales Go?
Human Events | March 20, 2007 |

Have you emailed the media outlets?

The Democrat newsrooms? I'm sure they'll print a big bold headline, above the fold - - Obama a Traitor!

Rush, Hannity, Beck, Hume, etc?
Good idea! Boy, will they ever be surprised when they hear about THIS!!
/sarc

I'll email everybody later. Right now I think I'll curl up with a good book.

FRegards,
LH

[MississippiMan]

We should launch a concerted effort. Pick one (of the many) egregious Obama issues that has been ignored. Then pick one MSM outfit, perhaps beginning with CNN. Then hammer them RELENTLESSLY with phone calls, faxes, and e-mails, demanding that they investigate and report the issue. Do not stop, do not slow down until they capitulate. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

I believe we have a unique opportunity right now to effect change in the MSM, thanks to their own recent lunacy that has exposed the rotten pus of their bias to even the most casual observer.

MM

[cw35]

I came upon this earlier today. The story is being refuted by all in attendance including apparently Amb. Crocker. Obviously didn’t want to make a separate post as people were invested in the story and it would have been a good one.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/undermining-mcc.html

[awaken2spirit]

“LOL, yeah, now let’s see if there is a Republican politician with the spine to do something about it.”

Maybe now is not the time to push this issue. You hear many on the left calling for Bush’s impeachment, trying him for war crimes and on and on. Point is, a lot of folks are just tired of all the show trial b*llsh*t while nothing useful gets done. They’re like that Train Engineer (a gay man text messaging teenage boys) that went through a red light while text messaging and crashed that train in SoCal. His job was to operate the train and get it safely to it’s destination. He wasn’t taking care of the business he was hired to perform. This might be an issue which would shift some of the independents into the Obama camp. Our priority is to get the McCain/Palin ticket elected. Then we must demand that they drive the pimps, the whores, and the money changers from our temple. I for one am tired of the constant finger pointing and misdirection, while not putting our well-being first. But we are responsible for letting them get away with it. We the people have elected them and re-elected them. So many American’s have become as vacuously stupid as Rats waiting for our dear and benevolent leaders to give us our daily food pellets, while they pimp out America like a cheap whore.

It is time for the American People to demand that long overdue house cleaning and may that sword cut both ways. This is the change America needs. Stand up and be free men and women and hold the feet of your representatives to the fire that America can once again be that that shining beacon of light upon the hill.

[Onerom99]

This should be McCain’s opening statement in the first debate (Foreign Policy) next Friday night.

Just absolutely rip Obama a new ahole for violating US law here.. Obama will be so uncomposed and rattled he’ll have the humina’s the rest of the debate.

[Mojave]

Read the reply to Jake Tapper's apologist piece:

"Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, (Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi) said" http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFsO8ZbiFYsnbIl3A

Obama's supporters can't keep their own lies straight.

[expatguy]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2084727/posts

[Miss Didi]

Rush mentioned this again last night in his interview with Greta. Also, if you missed it...Amir Taheri's appearance Thursday morning on Fox & Friends:



Foreign Affair
Is Barack Obama trying to stall the success of the surge in Iraq?

[elpadre]

a citizen with the evidence can initiate a criminal charge, i believe.

How about it Lancy??

[patriot08]

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[patriot08]

Found on Puma site; a petition to congressmen to condemn Obama for violating the Logan act:

http://www.rallycongress.com/americansentinel/1223/a-call-for-hearings-into-senator-barack-obamas-violation-of-the-logan-act/

[cw35]

The “Strategic Framework Agreement” governs the future basing rights I believe (going out decades). All the Congress critters want a say in that.

[Mojave]

All the Congress critters want a say in that.

So what?

Let me remind you of what the Obama spokesperson admitted:

Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office

You have already read that and yet you persist in avoiding the admission and engaging in DU style obfuscation and spin.

I find that telling.

[cw35]

oooh you find it “telling.”

I find it telling that you aren’t able to distinguish between the SFA and the status of forces. I still believe it’s a good talking point even if not true. That’s why I didn’t make a separate post with the ABC article.

[Mojave]

“Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office...”

[crickets]

You’re outed.

[cw35]

You are outed as being clueless.

[Mojave]

You're spewing 100% pure Obamanure talking points. The reason is obvious.

September 18, 2008
By Amir Taheri
The New York Post

IN Monday’s Post, I discussed how Barack Obama, during his July trip, had asked Iraqi leaders not to finalize an agreement vital to the future of US forces in Iraq - and how the effect of such a delay would be to postpone the departure of the US from Iraq beyond the time Obama himself calls for.

The Obama campaign has objected. While its statement says my article was “filled with distortions,” the rebuttal actually centers on a technical point: the differences between two Iraqi-US accords under negotiation - the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA, to set rules governing US military personnel in Iraq) and the Strategic Framework Agreement (SFA, to settle the legal basis for the US military presence in Iraq in the months and years ahead).

The Obama camp says I confused the two. It continues: “On the Status of Forces Agreement, Sen. Obama has always said he hoped that the US and Iraq would complete it - but if they did not, the option of extending the UN mandate should be considered.

“As to the Strategic Framework Agreement, Sen. Obama has consistently said that any security arrangements that outlast this administration should have the backing of the US Congress - especially given the fact that the Iraqi parliament will have the opportunity to vote on it.”

If there is any confusion, it’s in Obama’s position - for the two agreements are interlinked: You can’t have any US military presence under one agreement without having settled the other accord. (Thus, in US-Iraqi talks, the aim is a comprehensive agreement that covers both SOFA and SFA.)

And the claim that Obama only wanted the Strategic Framework Agreement delayed until a new administration takes office, and had no objection to a speedy conclusion of a Status of Forces Agreement, is simply untrue.

[cw35]

Read Taheri’s first article and then what he writes now. He is saying 2 different things or at the very least he did not write his first article clearly.

[Mojave]

Do you have any non-Obama talking points on your sheet?

[EDINVA]

Have you posted her home phone number at WikiLeaks ?

I mean, isn’t that the “cool” thing to do these days?

[beckysueb]

I thought Bush said that wasn’t true. More butt kissing I guess.

[maine-iac7]

You think they don't know?

Hardly the point.

The point is to let them know WE the PEOPLE know and that we demand they take action - tell them to pretend it's a Republican that committed he crime - THEN they'd take action.

My point was that we have become too complacent and do little more than gripe about something while waiting for the media to cover it and the reps in DC to take action.

That's lazy and loosing be default.

WE have to make a big noise - DEMAND action be taken.

[maine-iac7]

Great idea.

The media (I'm retired - worked in media many years) has a formula which they use to cover a story...They have ‘number thresh-hold” for ‘hits’. When a story brings in that number of hits they will cover it - mainly because, they know that, with that much interest on a subject, someone in the media will run with it - and they don't want to be behind in reporting it.

That said: Here's my ‘egregious Obama issue”:

Just where, Mr. O, are you going to get the money you say you will use to fund your “National Police Force” that will have as many in it as our military and as much funds? And by the way, isn't a National Police Force unconstitutional? We have the military to protect us from foreign enemies and the the individual states have the National Guard and the Coast Guard to protect within the country. And we have Homeland Security.

How are states rights protected under your National Police Force? And will they wear Brown Shirts and Jack Boots?” Hear him in his own words - need to be an add - run the video with the questions: Where are you going to get the money to fund such a force and - are they going to wear Brown Shirts?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak

Live link next post

[maine-iac7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak

live link Obama’s Brown Shirts - A National Police Force - see above post

[maine-iac7]

WOW - on the PUMA sight!

That’s refreshing.....

So, guys and gals, are we going to demand it too? It will only get done if we shout loud and clear and without let up.

Time to put the book down and get out of the “lazy’ chairs and shout it from the housetops.

POINT!

When emailing - the reps and media will not bother to look at mass emails: To circumvent this, Put just ONE email address in the “TO” line. Then...
go to the end of that line and click on “Go to BCC”
This will pop up another line just above the “subject” line...the “BCC” line. put the rest of the emails adds in there - and each recipient will see ONLY their own address. Make a note for this and future FREEPS