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Did McCain Choose Palin to Forestall NRA Endorsement of Barr?
Nolan Chart ^ | 8/30/08 | Darren Wolfe

Posted on 08/31/2008 7:44:27 AM PDT by 1curiousmind

Enter Sarah Palin, a lifetime member of the NRA and now the Republican nominee for Vice President. She is well known in conservative circles for her staunch support of gun rights. Certainly selecting her is reassuring to the NRA.

While I'm not suggesting that the NRA's endorsement of a Presidential candidate was the only factor in McCain picking Palin, the mere possibility that they might have endorsed Barr very well could be a much bigger factor than the mainstream media and the Republican Party will ever admit.

Could it be that he's courting the NRA to make sure that they don't end up not endorsing anyone for President? That too is a possibility. This author can not say exactly what they were thinking. These are questions that only the McCain campaign can answer. Hopefully they will be asked and answered honestly.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; barr; bobbarr; nra; palin; sideshowbob; spoiler
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I have been trying to find an article discussing how Palin as VP affects the Bob Barr spoiler factor. Any thoughts? I think Barr has been polling at around 4-6%.
1 posted on 08/31/2008 7:44:27 AM PDT by 1curiousmind
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To: 1curiousmind

I think Barr is irrelevant to McCain. I think Palin brings far more Hillary voters to the table just because she is a woman.


2 posted on 08/31/2008 7:47:18 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: 1curiousmind

Anecdotally, I know of a couple of former committed Barr voters who will now only vote for him if the race is too far gone one way or the other in their states for thier votes to matter. If it is close, they’ll vote McCain/Palin.

Palin was the factor in both cases.


3 posted on 08/31/2008 7:47:40 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: 1curiousmind

If you’re smart enough to be an NRA member,then you’re smart enough not to piss your vote away to a hopeless candidate like Barr.


4 posted on 08/31/2008 7:47:51 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: John Valentine
Palin was the factor in both cases.

As opposed to Obama? It's like we've been trying to shoot ourselves in the foot this election cycle. It took Palin to get some of these people to commit to voting against Obama? Jeez.
5 posted on 08/31/2008 7:49:35 AM PDT by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is STILL a catastrophe. Hello, McCandidate!)
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To: 1curiousmind

Barr? Is he still running? I’m sure he’ll get as many votes as McKinney. He never had a chance, he’s only a protest candidate for the Republican anti McCain faction. He’ll draw a few votes but it won’t make a dent. Even without Palin, I probably would have pulled the lever for McCain over Obama.


6 posted on 08/31/2008 7:53:11 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (If everyone stays home and no one votes will Congress disappear?)
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To: 1curiousmind

In the spirit of *REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE* - now would be a good time for McCain & Bob Barr to put aside their differences as a certain way to prevent a Poseur & Plugs Presidency.

Come on youse two - buck up and brave up for the USA!


7 posted on 08/31/2008 7:53:26 AM PDT by sodpoodle ("Have faith in God...but keep your powder dry." Oliver Cromwell)
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To: 1curiousmind

So the NRA might think the ACLU is good on gun rights?


8 posted on 08/31/2008 7:53:50 AM PDT by JLS (Do you really want change being two guys from the majority of Congress with a 9% approval rating?)
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To: John Valentine

Interesting anecdotal evidence. I don’t see how 4-6% of the popular vote is “irrelevant” to either McCain or Obama.

Although I liked alot of what Barr had to say when he was interviewed on Glenn Beck, I was also worried that he could really hurt McCain’s chances.


9 posted on 08/31/2008 7:53:50 AM PDT by 1curiousmind (Republican Resolve, Not Democrat Defeatism)
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I doubt the NRA was giving Barr a second thought. We have an election to win and we all have to work to defeat obama by electing McCain.


10 posted on 08/31/2008 7:59:03 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Terpfen

Of course Obama is a factor. But, you have to remember that McCain has had problems on the right, and my friends are still smarting from a number of McCain stunts.

As I am. Still, there is no way I would vote for the cooked-up candidate, Barry Soetoro, aka “Barak Obama”.


11 posted on 08/31/2008 8:00:45 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: 1curiousmind

Bob Barr Who?


12 posted on 08/31/2008 8:01:46 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 (E)
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To: 1curiousmind

Its time for us to start thing more strategically, an less tactically.

A NRA endorsement for Barr that helped result in an Obama victory would have disastrous effects on the 2nd Amendment; and on the NRA membership rolls. Don’t you think the NRA leadership is savvy enough to know that?

It didn’t take 1-2 election cycles to get ourselves into the sorry mess we are now in, and it’ll take more that 1-2 cycles to get our way out.

We need to deal with the big picture here, and quit second guessing each and every POSSIBLE tactical move any one person or group might consider.


13 posted on 08/31/2008 8:02:45 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Post of the day. Thank you, sir.


14 posted on 08/31/2008 8:04:07 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: 1curiousmind

Irrespective of the NRA factor, the selection of Palin undercuts Barr’s support in several areas.


15 posted on 08/31/2008 8:04:13 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm investing in "Pitchfork Futures"!!)
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To: JLS
I read the ACLU thing over and over again. Why is it never mentioned that the #1 FP Hero; Rush Limbaugh is a friend of the ACLU also?

Should we stop listening to him also?

THE A.C.L.U. HAS SUPPORTED YOUR LEGAL FIGHT TO KEEP THE MEDICAL RECORDS IN YOUR DRUG CASE PRIVATE. THIS IS NOT A GROUP YOU'RE A FAN OF. DO YOU WELCOME ITS SUPPORT?

"In a situation like this, I think it's safe to say I welcome its support, and I don't find it hypocritical at all, because I am not anti-A.C.L.U. If the A.C.L.U. wants to go after, say, Nativity scenes or this sort of thing, I may take issue, but there are other areas where I've supported things it has done."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,994348,00.html

16 posted on 08/31/2008 8:06:04 AM PDT by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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I am a person. The ACLU has done many things I approve of and of course many things I don’t approve of.

The NRA is a single issue group. As I would not expect the national right to life coalition to support a candidate particularly a third party presidential candidate who was associated with Planned Parenthood nor would I expect the NRA to support a candidate particularly a third party candidate who was associated with the ACLU.

But then maybe I am wrong in my impression the ACLU does not consider the right to bear arms a civil liberty?


17 posted on 08/31/2008 8:13:35 AM PDT by JLS (Do you really want change being two guys from the majority of Congress with a 9% approval rating?)
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To: 1curiousmind

the only split bar was doing was the potheads who accidentally vote for him over ronpaul.


18 posted on 08/31/2008 8:16:49 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: 1curiousmind

If John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin as his VP running mate forestalls any steam that Bob Barr might pick up from an endorsement by NRA, that is merely fortuitous, but by no means a major reason, in any event. It just happened, a turnip that fell off the truck.

Bob Barr COULD be a spoiler. But Sarah Palin rallies a lot of support, both in enthusiasm and cash, to the McCain ticket. The race is alive in a way that could not be predicted even a week ago. There stands a chance that Ralph Nader could be a much LARGER spoiler, for the Democrats, than Barr is likely to be for the Republicans, now.


19 posted on 08/31/2008 8:17:03 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Farmer Dean

In reality I was seriously considering Barr over McCain.
The addition of Palin to the ticket pretty much sealed a vote for McCain. Had McCain chosen Lieberman instead, there was no question I was completely abandoning the GOP for Barr. Because for the most part the GOP has abandoned it’s so called base of voters.

I used to be a member of the NRA myself. But got tired of the weekly calls for money and other time consuming issues. While those issues are very important to myself and many Americans, there are the issues of making a living and family that have to come first. An NRA endorsement is a great sales pitch. But it is only one of the deciding factors. Unfortunately we have to look at other important issues to see the overall effective leadership rating of an elected official. I rate my firearms very highly, but also know there will always be a push to diminish my 2nd Amendment right, as well as my 1st Amendment and my 4th Amendment right. So it is all inclusive and not just the single issue fanatics dwell upon.

Unfortunately for Barr, the two party monopoly has stacked the cards against any 3rd party with their ridiculous exclusions of the 3rd party candidates in the debate process. The two partys are afraid to have to address the real solutions to the real problems displayed in our current political monopoly. If we want change in our politics, we will have to do better electing more Libertarians to congress to replace the 9% approval rating with people who can get the job done.
Palin demonstrates that ability to do what is right. but that alone will not accomplish congressional reform. True reform has to come with the replacement of the good ol boys 9% club.


20 posted on 08/31/2008 8:28:35 AM PDT by o_zarkman44
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