Posted on 10/25/2006 7:04:47 PM PDT by Constitutionaly Speaking
Does it really make a difference whether Democrats win or if the Republicans remain safe or not? I think not. The reason is this, our government is one of limited powers and those powers are enumerated in the Constitution for the United States of America, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution for which ever state you live in.
Show me one politician from any party in office now, or within the past 100 years that has operated within the scope of the Constitution and Bill of Rights as to their oath of office. Just recently are perfect examples of the death of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by both major parties by passing and supporting un-constitutional acts such as the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act. Notice it says Act not law. The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid. This is succinctly stated as follows:
“All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” (Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US {2 Cranch} 137, 174, 176, - 1803)
“Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.” (Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491)
“An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” (Norton vs. Shelby County 118 US 425 p. 442)
“The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.” (16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256)
This is why it is not the Republicans or Democrats who are in trouble, but it is we, the American people, who are indeed in trouble. We are rapidly losing our Rights, Liberties and Freedom because we have become a Nation of “what is the government going to give or do for me” instead of “why is the government trying to baby sit me! I can do for myself with the Rights, Liberties and Freedom of self governance given to me by our Forefathers! So please butt out of our lives and do the job you were elected to do or we will fire you!”
I intend to vote and will always vote. If there is not a candidate worthy of holding office on the ballot then I will write one in. If you don’t vote then you deserve what ever government decides to do to you. If you don’t vote wisely upon whether the candidate is following his Constitutional duty or even knows what that duty is then you also are subject to what ever they may chose to do with you. John Adams said: “Statesmen by dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand....The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a great Measure, than they have it now, They may change their Rulers, and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty”. Thomas Jefferson had this to say: “If a nation expects to be ignorant - and free - in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be”. My most favorite quote from my most favorite speech from Patrick Henry is this: “Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death”! If you get the chance read the whole speech and you will understand what true unbridled patriotism really is.
Not voting at all is not protesting it is saying that you don’t care and give me whatever. If you want a protest vote that will send a real message then write in a candidate from another party, or, write in N.O.T.A. for none of the above.
Please for the sake of our Rights, Liberties and Freedom please learn the Constitution for the United States of America, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution for the state in which you live and make an educated choice with your vote.
God Bless the republic,
Ronald E. Smith
Please visit my website at www.cpbutler.com
"Does it really make a difference whether Democrats win or if the Republicans remain safe or not? I think not."
No need to read further. That statement is ahistorical idiocy.
There is a yawning chasm between Democrats and Republicans.
History is made at the inflection points.
The 3000 killed at 9/11 are indicative of the difference between having Democrat or Republican leadership.
"If you believe there is a true difference between Republicans and Democrats (not just there talking points) then tell me what they are."
This is discussed every single day on FR. Pay attention.
e.g. Look at what Tom Coburn is doing and what Nancy Pelosi is doing... see:
http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/
" After you become familiar with the Constitution tell me again what either is doing to protect it."
After you become a little more modest (in grasping that you are not the first person to recognize that our current Govt is not what was contemplated by our founders) and fair-minded (i know my constitution, dammit) we can have a discussion.
"Those killed on 9/11 are because of our government which is run by the republicrats. They had done nothing to stop it and to this day do nothing to prevent it from happening again. "
This is slander. Notwithstanding the fact that our Govt should have prevented it, 9/11 was an evil attack plotted in secret by Al Qaeda terrorists and they are the ones who are 100% responsible for it. Our Govt has done much to break up AQ since then and prevent new attacks.
You are either an idiot, an extremist nutcase, or a troll... sometimes it is hard to tell.
Not voting at all is not protesting it is saying that you don’t care and give me whatever. If you want a protest vote that will send a real message then write in a candidate from another party, or, write in N.O.T.A. for none of the above.
For most offices, I vote "NO"
"(in grasping that you are not the first person to recognize that our current Govt is not what was contemplated by our founders)"
The difference you fail to see is that our current government is not what it used to be because we have become a nation of beggers. Begging the government for our own money and many not paying in but begging for the bulk of what others do. James Madison said: "The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
As Benjamin Franklin said: "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."
Wemust get back to the foundation on which this country was built or we will fall like every other nation that there government became so large and employed and supplied for more people than those who were on there own in the private sector.
Alexander Hamilton said: If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.
John Adams said this: "Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
Thomas Jefferson said this: "A wise and frugal government...shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
The truth is not slander it is fact! It was an evil attack by sources outside our country but those who pulled off the attack were trained here in our country to fly our planes all the while they were on our terrorist watch list. The problem is the government has put themselves to where they are not responsible to the people and they run amuck doing whatever and however they damn well please. We need to get back to this philosophy from the Declaration of Independence: "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Without it we will no longer be a great and free nation but will be subjects to whom in government has the most money and power.
"The truth is not slander it is fact! "
...and slander is not truth. Your statement was an absolutist falsehood and your comments are absolutist, rigid, and will win nobody over. You are doubly disrespectful in assuming I havent read what our founders said, etc.
You are either an idiot, extremist, nut case or troll.
Next time use the term Democrat, describes all the above.
"You are either an idiot, extremist, nut case or troll."
"Next time use the term Democrat, describes all the above."
Yeah, but he's read the Constitution ... and Democrats never do that! :-)
All this ill content and name calling shows that you have no intelligent argument and can't overcome my factual information. Like I said, tell me 1 thing any one in government is doing that does not violate our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I have to say I don't believe that you know what the Founders said or that you know the Constitution itself. If you truly knew them we would not be having this conversation.
"With malice toward none"
God Bless,
Ronald E. Smith
"All this ill content and name calling shows "
... oh really, I'm not the one blabbing about how our own Govt is responsible for 9/11. That's slander and it's not namecalling to call it as I see it.
"have to say I don't believe that you know what the Founders said "
Go back and read Franklin's autobiography and his discussion on humility and how he realized he could get somewhere by being less emphatic and more understanding when he shared opinions... I think you could benefit from it.
I have read it. I own it. It is in my library. The problem today is different than in Benjamin Franklin's time. In Franklin's time people were educated and capable of free thinking and making wise decisions. In Franklin's time people were not dependent upon nor slaves to government through hand outs and government employment.
Some quotes from your referenced Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin:
"Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. St. Monday and St. Tuesday, will soon cease to be holidays. Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them."
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Strive to be the greatest man in your country, and you may be disappointed. Strive to be the best and you may succeed: he may well win the race that runs by himself."
"It is very imprudent to deprive America of any of her privileges. If her commerce and friendship are of any importance to you, they are to be had on no other terms than leaving her in the full enjoyment of her rights."
"All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth-that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the Ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid?"
"Well, Doctor, what have we got - a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic," replied the Doctor, "if you can keep it."
"The good Education of Youth has been esteemed by wise Men in all Ages, as the surest Foundation of the Happiness both of private Families and of Common-wealths. Almost all Governments have therefore made it a principal Object of their Attention, to establish and endow with proper Revenues, such Seminaries of Learning, as might supply the succeeding Age with Men qualified to serve the Publick with Honour to themselves, and to their Country."
"History affords us many instances of the ruin of states, by the prosecution of measures ill suited to the temper and genius of their people. The ordaining of laws in favor of one part of the nation, to the prejudice and oppression of another, is certainly the most erroneous and mistaken policy. An equal dispensation of protection, rights, privileges, and advantages, is what every part is entitled to, and ought to enjoy... These measures never fail to create great and violent jealousies and animosities between the people favored and the people oppressed; whence a total separation of affections, interests, political obligations, and all manner of connections, by which the whole state is weakened."
"They are of the People, and return again to mix with the People, having no more durable preeminence than the different Grains of Sand in an Hourglass. Such an Assembly cannot easily become dangerous to Liberty. They are the Servants of the People, sent together to do the People's Business, and promote the public Welfare; their Powers must be sufficient, or their Duties cannot be performed. They have no profitable Appointments, but a mere Payment of daily Wages, such as are scarcely equivalent to their Expences; so that, having no Chance for great Places, and enormous Salaries or Pensions, as in some Countries, there is no triguing or bribing for Elections."
"Without Freedom of Thought there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as Public Liberty, without Freedom of Speech."
You can only vote for the people who will steer you in that direction as close as possible, and that's Republicans.
How can Republicans steer us in the right direction when they give us things like "No Child Left Behind", "the Patriot Act" and "the Military Commissions Act?"
Respectfully'
Ron Smith
Now, if you can get a better Party elected then the Republicans then do so.
But neither the Libertarian nor Constitution Party is going to get elected and so you should do your best to put the best Republicans in power.
To say that there is no difference between the two is just nonsense.
If any other Party were in power, they would be criticized as well, because due to the limits of the Constitution and an oppostion Party, there is just so much one can accomplish.
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